How to Prove Vectors are Perpendicular Using Dot Products

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The discussion revolves around proving that two non-zero vectors are perpendicular using the properties of dot products and vector magnitudes. Participants explore the implications of this proof in relation to the geometry of parallelograms and rectangles.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a proof using dot products to show that |a-b|=|a+b| implies that vectors a and b are perpendicular, concluding that cosX=0.
  • Another participant suggests that if A and B are perpendicular, then their dot product A·B equals zero, leading to the equation (A_{x}-B_{x})^{2} +(A_{y}-B_{y})^{2} = (A_{x}+B_{x})^{2} +(A_{y}+B_{y})^{2}.
  • A third participant confirms the expansion and simplification of the equation, stating that it leads to A·B=0, thus reinforcing the condition for perpendicularity.
  • One participant proposes a geometric interpretation involving a parallelogram, suggesting that the equality of the diagonals indicates that the shape is a rectangle when a and b are perpendicular.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of clear communication in mathematical proofs, advising against the use of symbols without context.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the mathematical approach to proving the perpendicularity of vectors using dot products, but there is some uncertainty regarding the formal wording of the proof and the interpretation of the term "deduce" in the context of the parallelogram question.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty about the formal presentation of their proofs and the implications of the term "deduce," indicating a need for clarity in mathematical communication.

finkeroid99
Hello I was doing some study for a maths test involving vectors when I came across this question:

For non zero vectors show that: |a-b|=|a+b| if and only if a and b are perpendicular.
Deduce that a parallelogram is a rectangle if and only if its diagonals are equal in length.


I did the first question using dot products:

|a-b|=|a+b|
|a-b|^2=|a+b|^2
(a-b).(a.b)=(a+b).(a+b)
|a|^2+|b|^2-2|a||b|cosX=|a|^2+|b|^2+2|a||b|cosX
-2|a||b|cosX=+2|a||b|cosX
-cosX=cosX
Therefore cosX=0
x=90, 270, 480...etc.
Thus vector a and vector b must be perpendicular for|a-b|=|a+b| to be valid.

I'm not sure if this way is correct though...

Could someone please check if the stuff that I've done above is right? Also, could I get some help doing the second part of the question? Thank you it will be much apprechiated.
 
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1. [tex]A-B = (A_{x} - B_{x}, A_{y}-B_{y})[/tex] and

[tex]A+B = (A_{x} + B_{x}, A_{y}+B_{y})[/tex]

If [tex]A[/tex] and [tex]B[/tex] are perpendicular, then [tex]A \bullet B = 0[/tex] or [tex]A_{x}B_{x} + A_{y}B_{y} = 0[/tex]

You also know that [tex](A_{x}-B_{x})^{2} +(A_{y}-B_{y})^{2} = (A_{x}+B_{x})^{2} +(A_{y}+B_{y})^{2}[/tex]

So how would you go from there?For the second question use the parallelogram law (i.e. proof of the commutative law of vector addition)
 
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Ah, so you expand and simplify:
[tex](A_{x}-B_{x})^{2} +(A_{y}-B_{y})^{2} = (A_{x}+B_{x})^{2} +(A_{y}+B_{y})^{2}[/tex], which eventually equals:
[tex]A_{x}B_{x} + A_{y}B_{y} = 0[/tex]
Thus proving that A is perpendicular to B, and that |a-b|=|a+b|is only true under this circumstance. (I'm still a little unsure about the formal wording at the end of the proof)

The second question about the parallelogram, is basically asking to prove the first question. What does the word "deduce" ask you to do?
 
So draw a parallelogram and let |a-b| be one diagonal and |a+b| be another diagonal. You know that they are equal if a and b are perpendicular. Thus we have a rectangle. QED
 
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I understand now. Thank you for your help and quick response.
 
finkeroid99 said:
I did the first question using dot products:

|a-b|=|a+b|
|a-b|^2=|a+b|^2
(a-b).(a.b)=(a+b).(a+b)
|a|^2+|b|^2-2|a||b|cosX=|a|^2+|b|^2+2|a||b|cosX
-2|a||b|cosX=+2|a||b|cosX
-cosX=cosX
Therefore cosX=0
x=90, 270, 480...etc.
Thus vector a and vector b must be perpendicular for|a-b|=|a+b| to be valid.

Use words. Maths should not be presented as a series of symbols without any link between them. It will do you good and your teachers. There is also no need to invoke cos at all: just leave it as a.b.
 

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