How to safely charge and discharge a capacitor in a camera?

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The discussion revolves around the safe charging and discharging of a 330v 150uF capacitor from a camera, particularly in the context of using a 9-volt battery. Participants explore the implications of charging, discharging, and the associated risks, as well as the potential applications of the capacitor in launching an Estes ignition.

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  • One participant notes that charging the capacitor directly from a 9-volt battery will only result in a maximum charge of 9 volts.
  • Another participant mentions that the discharge current is influenced by both the internal resistance of the capacitor and the resistance in the discharge path.
  • Concerns are raised about the safety of leaving the capacitor connected to the battery, particularly regarding the potential for shorting the battery, which could reduce its lifespan.
  • Questions are posed about the purpose of the high voltage capacitor in a camera that operates on a 12-volt battery, suggesting the presence of additional circuitry to elevate the voltage.
  • Participants discuss the need for the entire camera flash circuitry, including a DC/AC converter and a step-up transformer, to properly charge the capacitor to its rated voltage.
  • A warning is issued regarding the lethal voltage of the capacitor, emphasizing the dangers associated with handling high voltage components.
  • One participant expresses interest in using the capacitor to power an Estes ignition, questioning its adequacy for that purpose.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding and concern regarding the safety and functionality of the capacitor in different contexts. There is no consensus on the best practices for charging and discharging the capacitor, nor on its application for launching an Estes ignition.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the importance of the camera's circuitry in elevating voltage and the associated risks of working with high voltage components. There are unresolved questions about the specific requirements for safe charging and discharging practices.

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I have a capacitor from a camera. It is rated at 330v 150uF. I want to charge this capacitor with a 9volt battery. It would be preferable if I could leave the battery attached to the circuit until the cap is discharged. I want as much power to flow out during discharge as the cap can handle.
What value of resistor for charging is safe but provides for a quick charge?
Is it OK to leave the battery attached to the cap for longer than is needed to charge?
How much resistance should be in the circuit during discharge to prevent damage to the cap?

Thank you,
-GiTS
 
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If you charge this capacitor directly from a 9 volt battery, it will only charge to 9 volts.

150 uF is not a very big capacitor so if you shorted it out after charging, you would just get a small spark.

The discharge current depends on the internal resistance of the capacitor as well as the resistance in the discharge path.

It is OK to leave the capacitor across the 9 V battery, but shorting the capacitor while the battery was there would also short the battery and this may reduce the life of the battery if it persisted for more than a second or so.
 
That raises a few questions.
1. Why was a 330v capacitor in a camera with a 12v battery?
2. That cap makes a flash go off, are there other parts helping out the flash?
3. I want to launch my estes with this cap, will it be enough to power an estes ignition?
 
There's a circuit in the camera that elevates the battery voltage to maybe 300 volts to charge the capacitor.
 
Antiphon said:
There's a circuit in the camera that elevates the battery voltage to maybe 300 volts to charge the capacitor.

Yes, you need the entire camera flash circuitry. It has a DC/AC converter, a step-up transformer, and a rectifier which turns the AC 300V back into DC to charge the capacitor.

DANGER, BE WARNED. The capacitor voltage is lethal. It's more unsafe than playing around with 120VAC line voltages. You can zap yourself very badly, and perhaps trigger some lethal heart fibrillation.

You can get the strobe charger circuitry out of a cheap disposable camera. ALso I think these entire devices are commonly sold by surplus mail-order. But DON'T mess with these unless you already know how to use high voltage without killing yourself.
 

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