How to Set Up a Triple Integral for Volume Calculation?

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The discussion centers on setting up a triple integral to calculate the volume of a solid bounded by the equations x = 4 - y², z = 0, and z = x. Participants explore various methods for establishing the integral, including volume slicing techniques and different coordinate approaches.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes the triple integral setup as V = ∫ from -2 to 2 ∫ from 0 to 4 - y² ∫ from 0 to x dz dx dy, indicating the bounds for z, x, and y.
  • Another participant suggests using volume slicing techniques, describing slices perpendicular to the xy-plane and parallel to the x-axis, leading to a right-isosceles triangle volume calculation.
  • Further slicing methods are discussed, including those parallel to the y-axis and horizontal slices, each yielding the same volume result of 256/15 through different integration approaches.
  • Participants engage in clarifying the reasoning behind the bounds for x, particularly the condition that x must be greater than or equal to 0, with some expressing confusion over this point.
  • A visual representation is suggested to aid understanding of the solid's geometry and the boundaries defined by the equations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is no consensus on the best method for setting up the triple integral, as multiple approaches are presented and debated. Some participants express confusion regarding specific mathematical reasoning, particularly about the bounds for x.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference various methods for volume calculation, including integration techniques and geometric interpretations, but the discussion does not resolve the best approach or clarify all assumptions involved in the calculations.

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Use a triple integral to find the volume of the solid bounded by the graphs of the equations.

x = 4 - y^2, z = 0, z = x

I need help setting up the triple integral for the volume. I will do the rest.
 
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Harpazo said:
Use a triple integral to find the volume of the solid bounded by the graphs of the equations.

x = 4 - y^2, z = 0, z = x

I need help setting up the triple integral for the volume. I will do the rest.

Well we can clearly see that $\displaystyle \begin{align*} 0 \leq z \leq x \end{align*}$, so that also means that $\displaystyle \begin{align*} x \geq 0 \end{align*}$. Now since x is bounded above by $\displaystyle \begin{align*} x = 4 - y^2 \end{align*}$, a parabola with y intercepts -2 and 2, that means that $\displaystyle \begin{align*} 0 \leq x \leq 4 - y^2 \end{align*}$ and $\displaystyle \begin{align*} -2 \leq y \leq 2 \end{align*}$. So the volume is

$\displaystyle \begin{align*} V &= \int_{-2}^2{\int_0^{4 - y^2}{\int_0^x{\,\mathrm{d}z}\,\mathrm{d}x}\,\mathrm{d}y} \end{align*}$

Can you go from here?
 
As a review, there are several other ways to find the given volume. From Calc I, recall "Volumes By Slicing."

If we use slices perpendicular to the $xy$-plane, and parallel to the $x$-axis, we find an arbitrary slice is a right-isosceles triangle, whose legs are $x$ in length. And so the volume of such a slice is:

$$dV=\frac{1}{2}x^2\,dy=\frac{1}{2}(4-y^2)^2\,dy=\frac{1}{2}(16-8y^2+y^4)\,dy$$

Summing the slices via integration (and using the even-function rule), we find:

$$V=\int_0^2 16-8y^2+y^4\,dy=\left[16y-\frac{8}{3}y^3+\frac{1}{5}y^5\right]_0^2=\frac{1}{15}\left(240(2)-40(8)+3(32)\right)=\frac{256}{15}$$

If we use slices perpendicular to the $xy$-plane, and parallel to the $y$-axis, we find an arbitrary slice is a rectangle, whose base is $2y$ and whose height is $x$. And so the volume of such a slice is:

$$dV=2xy\,dx=2x\sqrt{4-x}\,dx$$

Summing the slices via integration, we find:

$$V=2\int_0^4 x\sqrt{4-x}\,dx$$

Use the substitution:

$$u=4-x\implies du=-dx$$

$$V=2\int_0^4 (4-u)u^{\frac{1}{2}}\,du=2\int_0^4 4u^{\frac{1}{2}}-u^{\frac{3}{2}}\,du=2\left[\frac{8}{3}u^{\frac{3}{2}}-\frac{2}{5}u^{\frac{5}{2}}\right]_0^4=\frac{2}{15}\left(40(8)-6(32)\right)=\frac{256}{15}$$

If we use slices that are parallel to the $xy$-plane, then we find these slices are parabolic segments. So, we need to find the area of such a segment:

$$A=2\int_0^{\sqrt{h}} h-x^2\,dx=2\left[hx-\frac{1}{3}x^3\right]_0^{\sqrt{h}}=\frac{4}{3}h^{\frac{3}{2}}$$

Thus, the volume of an arbitrary slice is:

$$dV=\frac{4}{3}(4-z)^{\frac{3}{2}}\,dz$$

Summing the slices via integration, we find:

$$V=\frac{4}{3}\int_0^4 (4-z)^{\frac{3}{2}}\,dz$$

Let:

$$u=4-z\implies du=-dz$$

$$V=\frac{4}{3}\int_0^4 u^{\frac{3}{2}}\,du=\frac{8}{15}\left[u^{\frac{5}{2}}\right]_0^4=\frac{256}{15}$$

Double integral - vertical slices:

$$V=2\int_0^4 x\int_0^{\sqrt{4-x}} \,dy\,dx=2\int_0^4 x\sqrt{4-x}\,dx=\frac{256}{15}$$

Double integral - horizontal slices:

$$V=2\int_0^2\int_0^{4-y^2} x\,dx\,dy=\int_0^2 (4-y^2)^2\,dy=\frac{256}{15}$$
 
Prove It said:
Well we can clearly see that $\displaystyle \begin{align*} 0 \leq z \leq x \end{align*}$, so that also means that $\displaystyle \begin{align*} x \geq 0 \end{align*}$. Now since x is bounded above by $\displaystyle \begin{align*} x = 4 - y^2 \end{align*}$, a parabola with y intercepts -2 and 2, that means that $\displaystyle \begin{align*} 0 \leq x \leq 4 - y^2 \end{align*}$ and $\displaystyle \begin{align*} -2 \leq y \leq 2 \end{align*}$. So the volume is

$\displaystyle \begin{align*} V &= \int_{-2}^2{\int_0^{4 - y^2}{\int_0^x{\,\mathrm{d}z}\,\mathrm{d}x}\,\mathrm{d}y} \end{align*}$

Can you go from here?

Yes, I can go from here. You did not explain why x is greater than or equal to 0. I want to understand this a little more.
 
MarkFL said:
As a review, there are several other ways to find the given volume. From Calc I, recall "Volumes By Slicing."

If we use slices perpendicular to the $xy$-plane, and parallel to the $x$-axis, we find an arbitrary slice is a right-isosceles triangle, whose legs are $x$ in length. And so the volume of such a slice is:

$$dV=\frac{1}{2}x^2\,dy=\frac{1}{2}(4-y^2)^2\,dy=\frac{1}{2}(16-8y^2+y^4)\,dy$$

Summing the slices via integration (and using the even-function rule), we find:

$$V=\int_0^2 16-8y^2+y^4\,dy=\left[16y-\frac{8}{3}y^3+\frac{1}{5}y^5\right]_0^2=\frac{1}{15}\left(240(2)-40(8)+3(32)\right)=\frac{256}{15}$$

If we use slices perpendicular to the $xy$-plane, and parallel to the $y$-axis, we find an arbitrary slice is a rectangle, whose base is $2y$ and whose height is $x$. And so the volume of such a slice is:

$$dV=2xy\,dx=2x\sqrt{4-x}\,dx$$

Summing the slices via integration, we find:

$$V=2\int_0^4 x\sqrt{4-x}\,dx$$

Use the substitution:

$$u=4-x\implies du=-dx$$

$$V=2\int_0^4 (4-u)u^{\frac{1}{2}}\,du=2\int_0^4 4u^{\frac{1}{2}}-u^{\frac{3}{2}}\,du=2\left[\frac{8}{3}u^{\frac{3}{2}}-\frac{2}{5}u^{\frac{5}{2}}\right]_0^4=\frac{2}{15}\left(40(8)-6(32)\right)=\frac{256}{15}$$

If we use slices that are parallel to the $xy$-plane, then we find these slices are parabolic segments. So, we need to find the area of such a segment:

$$A=2\int_0^{\sqrt{h}} h-x^2\,dx=2\left[hx-\frac{1}{3}x^3\right]_0^{\sqrt{h}}=\frac{4}{3}h^{\frac{3}{2}}$$

Thus, the volume of an arbitrary slice is:

$$dV=\frac{4}{3}(4-z)^{\frac{3}{2}}\,dz$$

Summing the slices via integration, we find:

$$V=\frac{4}{3}\int_0^4 (4-z)^{\frac{3}{2}}\,dz$$

Let:

$$u=4-z\implies du=-dz$$

$$V=\frac{4}{3}\int_0^4 u^{\frac{3}{2}}\,du=\frac{8}{15}\left[u^{\frac{5}{2}}\right]_0^4=\frac{256}{15}$$

Double integral - vertical slices:

$$V=2\int_0^4 x\int_0^{\sqrt{4-x}} \,dy\,dx=2\int_0^4 x\sqrt{4-x}\,dx=\frac{256}{15}$$

Double integral - horizontal slices:

$$V=2\int_0^2\int_0^{4-y^2} x\,dx\,dy=\int_0^2 (4-y^2)^2\,dy=\frac{256}{15}$$

You are truly gifted. Thank you very much.
 
Harpazo said:
Yes, I can go from here. You did not explain why x is greater than or equal to 0. I want to understand this a little more.

Yes I did, $\displaystyle \begin{align*} 0 \leq z \leq x \end{align*}$ literally says $\displaystyle \begin{align*} 0 \leq x \end{align*}$!
 
Prove It said:
Yes I did, $\displaystyle \begin{align*} 0 \leq z \leq x \end{align*}$ literally says $\displaystyle \begin{align*} 0 \leq x \end{align*}$!

Sorry but I do not get it.
 
Maybe a visual will help ...

Dark green surface is the plane $z=x$.

Light green surface is the plane $z=0$.

Purple surface is the parabola $x=4-y^2$

purple "wedge" in octants I and IV between the two planes is the solid of interest.
 
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Thank you everyone.
 

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