How to show that the motion graph of a linear oscillator is an ellipse.

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The discussion revolves around demonstrating that the motion graph of a linear oscillator forms an ellipse, particularly focusing on the equations governing undamped and damped oscillators. The subject area includes concepts from mechanics and harmonic motion.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the relationship between position and velocity equations of the oscillator, with attempts to eliminate time to derive the ellipse equation. Questions arise regarding the manipulation of these equations and the introduction of damping effects.

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Some participants have clarified their understanding of the ellipse equation and are exploring the implications of adding a damping constant to the motion equations. There is an ongoing inquiry into how to derive velocity from the position function.

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Participants are navigating through the mathematical relationships and assumptions inherent in the equations of motion, including the role of damping and the definitions of variables involved.

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Homework Statement


The motion of a linear oscillator may be represented by means of a graph in which x is abscissa and dx/dt as ordinate. The histroy of the oscillator is then a curve
a)show that for an undamped oscillator this curve is an ellipse
b) show (at least qualitatively) that if a damping curve is introduced on gets a curve spiraling into origin.

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The Attempt at a Solution


a) I got that
x(t)=Asin(wt-α)
v(t)=wAcos(wt-α)
Another student told me to "elimate the t's" to get
x2/A2 +X2/(Aw)2 =1
and that is total energy is E=1/2KA2 and w2=k/m then
x2/(2E/k) +X2/(2E/m) =1First of all, I don't under stand how eliminated his t's. I do get that he found the eq of an ellipse, but how do I go from an eq with X and w to one with x and dx/dt?

b)I have no sweet clue
 
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I suspect that his answer should read

<br /> \frac{x^2}{A^2} + \frac{v^2}{A^2w^2} = 1<br />

To arrive at this rearrange the x and v equations so that only the sin and cosine functions are left on the right hand side. Then square both equations and add. \

For part b you will want to add a damping constant to the equation of motion:

<br /> m \frac{d^2x}{dt^2} = -kx - c \frac{dx}{dt}<br />

You will need to find solutions to this equation. From there you can find v, and plot x vs v.
 
mjordan2nd said:
I suspect that his answer should read

<br /> \frac{x^2}{A^2} + \frac{v^2}{A^2w^2} = 1<br />

To arrive at this rearrange the x and v equations so that only the sin and cosine functions are left on the right hand side. Then square both equations and add. \

For part b you will want to add a damping constant to the equation of motion:

<br /> m \frac{d^2x}{dt^2} = -kx - c \frac{dx}{dt}<br />

You will need to find solutions to this equation. From there you can find v, and plot x vs v.


Ok a) makes total sense now
b) In is c the damping constant? (we're using b) we have found in class that the solution to his comes in the fourm Aej(pt+α) is this what you mean?
 
Yep, that's what I'm talking about.
 
mjordan2nd said:
Yep, that's what I'm talking about.

Ok then but I am still not sure where v is going to come from...
 
Once you solve for x(t) then the velocity is just the derivative.
 
Oh right. I get it. Thanks a lot :)
 

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