How to Simplify a Trigonometric Limit and Solve for 1/2

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The discussion revolves around evaluating the limit as x approaches 0 of the expression (x csc(2x))/cos(5x). The original poster notes that the expected result is 1/2, but expresses confusion about how to handle the cos(5x) term in the limit evaluation.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the relationship between csc(2x) and sin(2x), with some suggesting the use of known limits such as lim_{x → 0} (sin x)/x = 1. Others express uncertainty about how to incorporate cos(5x) into the limit evaluation.

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There are various approaches being explored, including the potential use of L'Hopital's rule, although some participants note that they have not yet covered this method in their studies. Guidance has been offered regarding rewriting the limit in terms of known limits, but no consensus has been reached on the best approach to take.

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Participants mention that they have not covered L'Hopital's rule in their coursework, which may limit their approaches to solving the problem. Additionally, there is a concern about circular reasoning when using certain limits in the context of derivatives.

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This is from Thomas' Calculus Early Trancendentals, Media Upgrade, page 108, #27:

The limit as x approaches 0 of (x csc(2x))/cos(5x)

The answer is 1/2, which graphing confirms, but hell if I know how to get rid of the 5x and still come up with 1/2. It is boggling my mind. Any help would be appreciated.
 
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csc(2x)=1/sin(2x)if I remember correctly

[tex]\lim_{x \rightarrow 0} \frac{x}{sinx} =1[/tex]
 
Yes, that much I know. The problem I have is with the cos(5x). How does one deal with that and come up with 1/2 as the final answer?
 
Re-arrange then use L'Hopital

[tex]\displaystyle\lim_{x\to 0} \frac{x\csc(2x)}{\cos(5x)}[/tex]

[tex]= \displaystyle\lim_{x\to 0} \frac{x\csc(2x)}{1}[/tex]

[tex]= \displaystyle\lim_{x\to 0} \frac{x}{\sin(2x)} \to \frac{0}{0}[/tex]

[tex]= \displaystyle\lim_{x\to 0} \frac{1}{2\cos(2x)} = \frac{1}{2}[/tex]
 
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Well, we haven't covered L'Hopital yet. Also, the denominator is cos(5x), not 5x.
 
You need to rewrite the limit to use other limits that you know, such as sinx/x

[tex]\lim_{x \rightarrow 0} \frac{x\csc2x}{\cos5x} = \lim_{x \rightarrow 0} (x\csc2x * \frac{1}{\cos5x}) = \lim_{x \rightarrow 0} \frac{x}{\sin2x} * \lim_{x \rightarrow 0} \frac{1}{\cos5x}[/tex]

[tex]= \lim_{x \rightarrow 0} \frac{1}{2} \frac{2x}{\sin2x} * \lim_{x \rightarrow 0} \frac{1}{\cos5x} = \frac{1}{2} \lim_{x \rightarrow 0} \frac{1}{\frac{\sin2x}{2x}} * \lim_{x \rightarrow 0} \frac{1}{\cos5x}[/tex]

For [tex]\lim_{x \rightarrow 0} \frac{sin2x}{2x}[/tex]

let k = 2x. Since 2x goes to 0 as k goes to 0,

[tex]\lim_{x \rightarrow 0} \frac{\sin2x}{2x} = \lim_{k \rightarrow 0} \frac{\sin k}{k}[/tex]
 
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I made a typo in latex, if it were 5x then we'd be in trouble.

L'Hopital

[tex]\displaystyle\lim_{x\to a} \frac{f(x)}{g(x)} = \displaystyle\lim_{x\to a}\frac{f'(x)}{g'(x)}[/tex]

if f(a)=g(a)=0 (or infinity)

[tex]\frac{f(x)}{g(x)}=\frac{f(a)+(x-a)f'(a)+\frac{1}{2!}(x-a)^2g''(a)\cdots}{g(a)+(x-a)g'(a)+\frac{1}{2!}(x-a)^2g''(a)+\cdots}=\frac{(x-a)f'(a)+\frac{1}{2!}(x-a)^2g''(a)\cdots}{(x-a)g'(a)+\frac{1}{2!}(x-a)^2g''(a)+\cdots}=\frac{f'(a)+(x-a)g''(a)\cdots}{g'(a)+(x-a)g''(a)+\cdots}=\frac{f'(x)}{g'(x)}[/tex]

f(a) and g(a) disappear and can divide top and bottom by 1/2(x-a).

example

[tex]\displaystyle\lim_{x\to 0} \frac{\sin (x)}{x}[/tex]

Top and bottom tend to 0, so,

[tex]\displaystyle\lim_{x\to 0} \frac{\sin (x)}{x} =\displaystyle\lim_{x\to 0} \frac{\cos (x)}{1} = 1[/tex]
 
I've read in my calc book and elsewhere that you shouldn't use L'Hopital's rule with sinx/x since that limit is used in proofs to find the derivative of sine. Circular reasoning...
 
Thanks, Bohrok, that's exactly what I needed to set my brain straight.

Perhaps if I would have remembered that the cosine of zero is one, I wouldn't have been in such a pickle. Hah.

Thanks to everyone for their assistance.
 

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