How to simplify radicals in the denominator?

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The discussion focuses on the process of simplifying expressions with radicals in the denominator, specifically involving binomials. Participants explore the steps involved in multiplying by the conjugate and simplifying the resulting expressions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a specific problem involving the expression (8√6 + √10)/(2√2 - √7) and describes their process of multiplying by the conjugate.
  • Another participant points out a potential error in the expansion of the binomial, emphasizing the importance of correctly handling the negative sign in the conjugate.
  • Some participants express uncertainty about the correctness of their answers, noting that the length of the resulting expression feels unusually long compared to previous problems.
  • Concerns are raised about whether having a longer answer indicates an error, with one participant suggesting that the distinct prime factors in the radicals prevent simplification into fewer terms.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is no consensus on the correctness of the simplification process. Some participants agree on the steps taken, while others question the accuracy of the expansion and the resulting expression.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the simplification process, particularly regarding the handling of radicals with different prime factors, which may limit the ability to combine terms.

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I have some problems I am stuck on. The goal here is to simplify radicals in the denominator. I understand that when there is a binomial in the denominator, you need to multiply both sides by the conjugate. For some reason though, I seem to be having trouble doing that or am making a mistake somewhere that I cannot figure out.

1. (8√6 + √10)/(2√2 - √7)

I multiply both sides by the conjugate and get (16√12 + 8√42 + 2√20 +√70)/1. Then when I simplify this I get 33√3 + 8√42 + 4√5 + √70. Seems like a long answer. What am I doing wrong?
 
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You are not expanding correctly. The second binomial has a negative sign that you aren't taking into account. Recall:

$$(a+b)(c-d)=ac-ad+bc-bd$$
 
I redid the problem like 2 times again but cannot catch on to my mistake. My mistake is in the denominator correct?

(2√2 - √7)(2√2 +√7)

I'm going to take this step by step.

(2√2)(2√2) = 4√4 = 8

(2√2)(√7) = 2√14

(-√7)(2√2) = -2√14

(-√7)(√7) = -√49 = -7

2√14 - 2√14 cancel each other out.
 
GrannySmith said:
I have some problems I am stuck on. The goal here is to simplify radicals in the denominator. I understand that when there is a binomial in the denominator, you need to multiply both sides by the conjugate. For some reason though, I seem to be having trouble doing that or am making a mistake somewhere that I cannot figure out.

1. (8√6 + √10)/(2√2 - √7)

I multiply both sides by the conjugate and get (16√12 + 8√42 + 2√20 +√70)/1. Then when I simplify this I get 33√3 + 8√42 + 4√5 + √70. Seems like a long answer. What am I doing wrong?
That looks correct to me.
 
Opalg said:
That looks correct to me.

I redid this problem and cannot find anything wrong.

It's just that i have this gut feeling that this answer is wrong for some reason. Way longer than any of my past answers for other problems like this. If it's right though then I guess there's nothing I can do to simplify that!
 
GrannySmith said:
I have some problems I am stuck on. The goal here is to simplify radicals in the denominator. I understand that when there is a binomial in the denominator, you need to multiply both sides by the conjugate. For some reason though, I seem to be having trouble doing that or am making a mistake somewhere that I cannot figure out.

1. (8√6 + √10)/(2√2 - √7)

I multiply both sides by the conjugate and get (16√12 + 8√42 + 2√20 +√70)/1. Then when I simplify this I get 33√3 + 8√42 + 4√5 + √70. Seems like a long answer. What am I doing wrong?

Why do you think having a long answer makes it incorrect?
 
GrannySmith said:
I have some problems I am stuck on. The goal here is to simplify radicals in the denominator. I understand that when there is a binomial in the denominator, you need to multiply both sides by the conjugate. For some reason though, I seem to be having trouble doing that or am making a mistake somewhere that I cannot figure out.

1. (8√6 + √10)/(2√2 - √7)

I multiply both sides by the conjugate and get (16√12 + 8√42 + 2√20 +√70)/1. Then when I simplify this I get 33√3 + 8√42 + 4√5 + √70. Seems like a long answer. What am I doing wrong?

MarkFL said:
You are not expanding correctly. The second binomial has a negative sign that you aren't taking into account. Recall:

$$(a+b)(c-d)=ac-ad+bc-bd$$

My apologies...I misread the expression you gave as the product of numerator and the conjugate, not the original. :o
 
GrannySmith said:
I redid this problem and cannot find anything wrong.

It's just that i have this gut feeling that this answer is wrong for some reason. Way longer than any of my past answers for other problems like this. If it's right though then I guess there's nothing I can do to simplify that!
The radicals in the original problem all contain different prime factors (3, 5, 2, 7). So you cannot expect them to combine in any way that will give you fewer than four terms in the answer.
 

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