How to Solve a Faded Safe Code: Math Counting Problem Explained"

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves determining the number of possible codes for a safe that requires pressing four buttons in a specific order, with some buttons faded and others not. The original poster seeks clarification on their reasoning regarding the selection and arrangement of these buttons.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster calculates the number of combinations based on faded and non-faded buttons but questions the validity of their approach after receiving feedback. Participants discuss the total number of buttons and clarify the conditions regarding the selection of faded and non-faded buttons.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging in clarifying the problem's parameters, particularly regarding the total number of buttons and the conditions for selecting faded and non-faded buttons. Some guidance has been offered to help the original poster reassess their reasoning.

Contextual Notes

There is a mention of a diagram that provides additional context about the buttons, indicating they are numbered 1-12 rather than 0-9, which may affect the interpretation of the problem.

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To open a safe, 4 number buttons must be pressed, in the correct order. Over time, the 4 numbers buttons of the code fade. A thief notices the faded buttons, so knows that the code consists of those 4 numbers.

How many possible codes are there?


4 numbers can be arranged in 4! different ways, so there are 24 different possible combinations.

The safe owner decides that he wants to change the code. How many possible codes are possible if each code can contain only 1 of the 4 faded numbers?

[tex] ^4 C_1 \times ^8 C_3 \times 4!=5376[/tex]

Since there are two groups, faded and non faded. One is selected from the faded numbers, and 3 from the remaining 8 non faded. i then multiplied by 4! since there are 4! ways of arranging the 4 numbers.

The answer guide says this is wrong though. Is anybody able to explain where i went wrong in my reasoning?

Thanks,
Dan.
 
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At first glance I would say that it has to do with the fact that you think 8 are non-faded. If there is a button for each digit then there will 10 buttons, 4 of which have faded. Thus there will be 6 non-faded buttons.
 
The buttons arent 0-9, theyre 1-12. There was a diagram with the question that showed this.
 
No repeated numbers allowed, right? And "can contain only 1 of the 4" means "contains exactly one of the 4"? If those are both correct then I can't see anything wrong with your solution.
 
Yep that's right. No repeats allowed, and EXACTLY 1 of the 4.

Well thanks for clearing that up. Glad i did it correctly then.
 

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