How to solve a reduction formula problem?

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The discussion revolves around a reduction formula problem involving the integration of the function e^(2x)sin^n(x). Participants are exploring various approaches to tackle the integration by parts method and the application of reduction formulas.

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  • Participants discuss the integration by parts technique, with some expressing uncertainty about their initial steps and the proper setup of u and dv. There are attempts to clarify the integration process and the use of trigonometric identities, such as sin^2(x) + cos^2(x) = 1. Others question the effectiveness of their methods and express confusion about the integration process.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing feedback on each other's approaches. Some guidance has been offered regarding the integration by parts method, and there are indications of productive exploration of different interpretations and techniques. However, there is no explicit consensus on the best approach yet.

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Here is my attempt :

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I just can't get the answer the writing near the bottom is me trying to get the left hand side , so you can basically ignore that. But I don't think I made the correct first step... any advice?

Didn't notice the picture was so blurry, the first thing I did was just proceed to integrate In by parts.
 

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Yea your parts wasn't done properly, check it:

##\int_{0}^{\frac{\pi}{2}} e^{2x}sin^nx ##
gotta do a parts:
##u = e^{2x}##
##dv = sin^nxdx##
##du=2e^{2x}##
##v = ...##
gotta do another parts and use ##sin^2 + cos^2 =1##

##\int_{a}^bsin^nxdx = \int_{a}^b[sin^{n-2}(x)][1-cos^2(x)]dx =
\int_{a}^b sin^{n-2}(x)-\int_{a}^{b} sin^{n-2}(x)cos(x)cos(x)## ...
this just ends up at the reduction formula, and I don't feel like going all the way there, 2 more parts then nest them back together, but the point is: once you get your v
##u = e^{2x}##
##dv = sin^nxdx##
##du=2e^{2x}##
##v = ...##
plug it back into the first set of parts and you'll get something really messy that you need to tidy up. I bet that'll simplify to what you have going on in your homework problem.

PS I can't really read the picture with your work
 
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I did not think of separating it then making subbing sin^2 x . Thanks.. I'm such an idiot. I just proceeded to integrate by parts without calling sin^n x , sin^(n-2) x* sin^2x
 
I still don't get you fully, here is my working :
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Ignore the first line. where I said In = e^2x sinx^(n-1) * sin^x

I also can't really do parts by the u, dv way or whatever. My teacher said he didn't want me to learn it like that. I just know I should always try to integrate the easier one first and differentiate the other one..
 
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lionely said:
I still don't get you fully, here is my working :
[ IMG]http://i59.tinypic.com/yyli8.jpg[/PLAIN]

Ignore the first line. where I said In = e^2x sinx^(n-1) * sin^x

I also can't really do parts by the u, dv way or whatever. My teacher said he didn't want me to learn it like that. I just know I should always try to integrate the easier one first and differentiate the other one..
What do you mean by
"I also can't really do parts by the u, dv way or whatever." ?



For the second integration it looks like you have:
##u=\sin^{(n-1)}(x)\,\cos(x)\ ## and ##\ dv=e^{2x}dx \ .##​
Those are good choices.

What is the derivative of
##u=\sin^{(n-1)}(x)\,\cos(x)\ \ ?##​

It's not what you have.
 
I mean when I carry out integration by parts, I don't call things u or dv or v. I just proceed to integrate. That is how I was taught. The derivative of that would be (n-1)sin^(n-2)xcos^2x -sin^n
 
lionely said:
I mean when I carry out integration by parts, I don't call things u or dv or v. I just proceed to integrate. That is how I was taught. The derivative of that would be (n-1)sin^(n-2)xcos^2x -sin^n
A few parentheses would help here making that derivative:
(n-1)sin(n-2)(x)cos2(x) -sinn(x) .

Notice that cos2(x) = 1 - sin2(x) .

And as you say "integrate the easy part": [itex]\displaystyle \int e^{2x}dx[/itex]

Integration by parts for the integral on your second line:
[itex]\displaystyle \int e^{2x}\sin^{n-1}x \cdot \cos x\,dx[/itex]​

will give you an integrand with two terms after you simplify.

One of the integrals can be written as In , the other as In-2 .
 
I got it out finally, I made a mistake with brackets at the 2nd parts... -_-
 
Thank you guys.
 

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