How to solve this balancing exercise? (towing a boat with two ropes)

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving the forces acting on a boat being towed with two ropes, focusing on the balance of forces in different directions. Participants are examining the setup and the equations derived from the problem.

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  • Participants discuss the correctness of the original poster's method and the equations used. Questions arise regarding the labeling of axes and the implications of force direction. There is also exploration of the definitions of trigonometric functions in relation to the problem.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing feedback on each other's reasoning and questioning assumptions about force directions and trigonometric definitions. Some participants express understanding while others seek clarification on specific points.

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There are indications of potential confusion regarding the labeling of axes and the application of trigonometric functions, which may affect the interpretation of the forces involved.

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Homework Statement
The towing pendant AB is subjected to the force of 50 kN exerted by a tugboat. Determine the force in each of the bridles, BC and BD, if the ship is moving forward with constant velocity.
Relevant Equations
Σfx=0 and Σfy=0
This is the image of the problem
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I tried to solve it and I got the following is it correct?
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Your method seems correct in general . Haven't check the arithmetic operations.

BTW why don't you use the first equation you found for ##F_{BD}## to calculate it , once you have found ##F_{BC}## and you instead using a different equation?
 
Oops I now see a flaw, you haven't labeled the x and y-axis explicitly, but it seems to me that the force of 50kN is acting in the x-direction... Though that would imply that the x-axis is the vertical and the y-axis is the horizontal.
 
Delta2 said:
Oops I now see a flaw, you haven't labeled the x and y-axis explicitly, but it seems to me that the force of 50kN is acting in the x-direction... Though that would imply that the x-axis is the vertical and the y-axis is the horizontal.
um the force acts in the direction of x?
So in the directions change? I don't understand, why does that happen, can you show me some other example?
The answer then would be like this? but why?

##
\begin{array}{l}----------------------\\
Σfx=0\\
-F_{BD}\sin \left(20°\right)+F_{BC}\sin \left(30°\right)=0\\
F_{BC}=F_{BD}\frac{\sin \left(20°\right)}{\sin \left(30°\right)}\\
----------------------\\
Σfy=0\\
F_{BD}\cos \left(20°\right)+F_{BC}\cos \left(30°\right)-50=0\\
F_{BD}\cos \left(20°\right)+F_{BD}\frac{\sin \left(20°\right)}{\sin \left(30°\right)}\cos \left(30°\right)-50=0\\
F_{BD}0.93+F_{BD}0.59=50\\
F_{BD}=\frac{50}{1.52}\\
\left[F_{BD}=32.89\right]\\
----------------------\\
F_{BD}\cos \left(20°\right)+F_{BC}\cos \left(30°\right)-50=0\\
32.89\cdot \cos \left(20°\right)+F_{BC}\cos \left(30°\right)-50=0\\
F_{BC}=\frac{-32.89\cdot \cos \left(20°\right)+50}{\cos \left(30°\right)}\\
\left[F_{BC}=22.04\right]\\
----------------------\end{array} ##
 
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Yes I think now it is correct.
 
Delta2 said:
Yes I think now it is correct.
ok, but how did you realize that the force acted on the x-axis and therefore the directions were changed? what did you look at to reach that conclusion?
 
Tapias5000 said:
ok, but how did you realize that the force acted on the x-axis and therefore the directions were changed? what did you look at to reach that conclusion?
If I ask you to draw the force components that correspond to ##F_{BC}\cos 30## and ##F_{BD}\cos 20## where would you draw them, on the vertical axis or on the horizontal axis?
 
Delta2 said:
If I ask you to draw the force components that correspond to ##F_{BC}\cos 30## and ##F_{BD}\cos 20## where would you draw them, on the vertical axis or on the horizontal axis?
According to me they would go on the red arrows, cosine= a/h
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Nope that's not correct, check again the definition of cosine for a right triangle.
 
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Delta2 said:
Nope that's not correct, check again the definition of cosine for a right triangle.

aaaaaaaaa, damn I finally understand regarding the angle would be here for cosine, and that's why the directions change, am I right now?
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Yes you are correct now.
 
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Delta2 said:
Yes you are correct now.
Thank you very much for the clarification.
 
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