How to tell if fuel is contaminated?

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The discussion revolves around methods for detecting contamination in fuel, specifically gasoline, by substances such as water, alcohols, and oils. Participants explore various testing techniques, ranging from sophisticated laboratory methods to simpler, portable solutions.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest using Gas Chromatography with Mass Spectroscopy (GCMS) as a precise method for detecting contaminants.
  • Others inquire about simpler, portable methods for testing fuel contamination.
  • A density test is proposed as a practical indicator, as gasoline and water have significantly different densities and do not mix.
  • Participants mention that comparing the heat released during combustion could indicate contamination, particularly if water is present.
  • One participant suggests using a drying agent to identify water contamination, noting that clumping would indicate the presence of water.
  • Another participant recommends Calcium Chloride as a drying agent for absorbing water from fuel.
  • Adding small amounts of isopropyl alcohol (IPA) to fuel is mentioned as a method to absorb water, though it does not indicate the presence of water itself.
  • Contamination by oil can be detected by observing the residue left after the fuel dries, while multiple layers in the fuel may indicate water contamination.
  • Some participants express skepticism about detecting alcohol contamination without specialized equipment, suggesting that it is less of a concern since alcohols can still combust.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the utility of density tests and drying agents for detecting water contamination, but there is no consensus on the best method overall. Multiple competing views on the effectiveness and practicality of various approaches remain unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Some methods discussed depend on the availability of specific measurement tools or equipment, which may limit their applicability. The effectiveness of certain tests may vary based on the specific contaminants present.

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How is it possible to tell if fuel (gas) is contaminated (by water / alcohols / oils etc)?

Roger
 
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GCMS - Gas Chromatography with Mass spectroscopy - a 3min job with a volatile and modern equipment.
 
Is there a simpler way, using something portable?
 
roger5 said:
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How is it possible to tell if fuel (gas) is contaminated (by water / alcohols / oils etc)?
What is gas but just refined oil with perhaps a few additives?

How badly do you want to know? To what degree of complication are you will to perform tests and with what measurement devices do you have at your disposal?

A density test might reveal something. Gasoline and water have two very different densities (and will not normally mix), as do gasoline and alcohol.
Comparing the heat released by burning the unknown mixture might also be revealing as if the gasoline is mixed with water, a significant chunk of its mass with release no energy when burn...the water will only evaporate away (an endothermic process) and the gasoline combusts (exothermic).
Trying to dissolve things in the mixture might also be a way to tell qualitatively is something is unusual about it.
 
I'm wih mrjeffy, density would be a dead giveaway for an easy, practical indicator.
 
dry it with a drying agent. if it starts to clump at all there is water.
 
mrjeffy
I really would like to know. I have no measurement tools at my disposal although I can get access. I would prefer a way that does not involve combusting the fuel.

gravenewworld
Can you suggest such a drying agent?
 
If you have no measurement tools at your disposal then that makes finding out rather difficult.
I would suggest going with the density test. It will be the easiest to perform and will not require many tools (just something [graduated cylinder] to measure out a volume and a [digital] scale to take the mass).

You could probably use something like Calcium Chloride as a drying agent to absorb any water which might be in the fuel.
 
One can add small amounts of IPA to fuel and it will absorb the water while minimally affecting combustion. That is if you are only concerned about removing any potential water from the fuel. It will not tell you if there is water in the fuel.
 
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contamination by oil - drop of fuel dries out to leave oily residue. good gasoline control sample to compare, of course.

contamination by water - How many layers? two? probably water if there are two. Opalescent fuel not crystal clear? Filter through thick paper filter. water will swell fibers and REALLY slow down filtration rate. Graven-w's dessicant could be anhydrous sodium sulfate or anhydrous magnesium sulfate. Powder is best for clumping observation.

Contamination by alcohols - who cares? It will burn. (Think gasahol) Alcohol is too hard to determine without some kind of distillation equipment (Fractional column, Gas chromatograph, etc...).
 

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