How to tell if two compounds will react?

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The discussion revolves around the question of whether sodium bromide (NaBr) reacts with water, exploring the underlying principles of chemical reactions, solubility, and intermolecular forces. Participants examine the nature of ionic compounds, the role of water as a solvent, and the concept of hydrogen bonding in relation to chemical reactivity.

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  • Some participants propose that predicting chemical reactions involves understanding the properties of compounds and thermodynamics, suggesting that this is a complex area of study.
  • One participant explains that NaBr dissolves in water due to the polar nature of water, which can break the ionic bonds in NaBr, resulting in free sodium and bromine ions that do not react further.
  • Another participant emphasizes that hydrogen bonding in water is a significant factor in why NaBr does not react with water, as breaking these bonds requires substantial energy.
  • A later reply clarifies that intramolecular bonds within water molecules should not be confused with hydrogen bonds, which occur between water molecules.
  • Some participants question whether the presence of hydrogen bonding implies a lower tendency for reactions to occur, seeking examples of compounds that can disrupt such bonds.
  • There is acknowledgment that the presence of hydrogen bonding can complicate reactions, with some reactions being facilitated by these interactions.

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Participants express differing views on the implications of hydrogen bonding for chemical reactivity, with no consensus on whether it universally inhibits reactions or can facilitate them in certain cases. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the broader implications of hydrogen bonding in chemical reactions.

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Participants note the complexity of intermolecular forces and their impact on chemical reactions, but there are limitations in the discussion regarding specific examples and the conditions under which reactions may or may not occur.

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For example, NaBr can dissolve in water but will it react with water?
I apologize if it is an oversimplistic question.
 
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It is not a trivial question, unfortunately, there is no good - as in "reasonably easy and useful" - answer.

Basically predicting what will happen is what people learn for all these years they study chemistry. Predictions are based on the properties of the compounds and on the thermodynamics. And then you mix everything and - sometimes - it reacts as predicted.
 
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Let's start with your example. NaBr is an ionic compound. Sodium carries a positive charge and bromine carries a negative charge. NaBr dissolves in water because water is a polar molecule. You can think of one "side" of the water molecule being positive and one side being negative.

Here's where it gets interesting. When you put the NaBr into the water, the water molecules will begin orienting themselves based on their attraction to the sodium/bromine in the molecule. While one water molecule wouldn't be enough to rip the NaBr apart, when you have all of them together, that total attractive force is enough to break the ionic bond between the sodium and the bromine. This leaves a sodium ion and a bromine ion. Once released, these ions don't react; they just float around.

There is a limit though. Like I said, you need more than the force from one water molecule to break the NaBr apart. You may have noticed that if you've ever dumped table salt in water, after a certain point, no more will dissolve. The measure of how much of a substance will dissolve in water is called the solubility.

For the second part of your question, the biggest reason NaBr won't react with water is because of intermolecular forces. Specifically, there is a force called hydrogen bonding, which occurs when a hydrogen atom bonds to nitrogen, oxygen, or fluorine. Water is hydrogen bound to oxygen.

To analyze this potential reaction, think of a chemical reaction as the process of breaking bonds between some molecules (the reactants) and then forming new bonds (the products). You're essentially rearranging atoms.

Hydrogen bonding is the strongest type of intermolecular force. That means that it takes a lot of energy to break the bonds within a water molecule. H2O wants to stay H2O, and that's why no reaction occurs.
 
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Hydrogen bonding is the strongest type of intermolecular force. That means that it takes a lot of energy to break the bonds within a water molecule.

Intramolecular bonds between hydrogen and oxygen, present in water molecule, do not classify as hydrogen bonding.

Sure, in large conglomerates of water molecules, especially in acidic/basic solutions, things can get complicated and it may be not entirely clear which hydrogen is bound to which oxygen, but it still doesn't justify calling bonds in water molecule "hydrogen bonds".
 
In a container of water, the molecules share a mutual attraction. After looking at my previous post though, I worded it very poorly. The bonds occur not within the individual atom itself but within the water molecules as a group. Instead of saying "within a water molecule," I should've said "between water molecules." Thanks for pointing that out.

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https://manoa.hawaii.edu/exploringo...erties-water/hydrogen-bonds-make-water-sticky
 
self_service said:
Hydrogen bonding is the strongest type of intermolecular force.
If hydrogen bonding is the strongest intermolecular force, can I just assume that reaction would have a larger tendency not occur if hydrogen bonding is present?Can you give me an example of a compound capable of breaking such of bond?
 
KevinFan said:
If hydrogen bonding is the strongest intermolecular force, can I just assume that reaction would have a larger tendency not occur if hydrogen bonding is present?

Some reactions are made easy by the existence of hydrogen bonding.

Told you it doesn't want to be simple.
 

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