How to tell if two system has same temperature?

In summary, two systems with the same volume but different potential are separated by a membrane that allows heat and particle exchange. It is possible for these systems to have the same temperature after reaching equilibrium over a long period of time. However, this does not mean that the properties are necessarily homogeneous, as a difference in electrical potential could lead to a temperature gradient. Additionally, there is no interaction between particles in this scenario.
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Two systems are separated by a membrane which allow heat and partcle exchange. Both systems have same volume but different (interaction) potential. Do these two systems have same temperature?

I think they have same temperature because such system could come to equilibrium when time is longer enough, right?

ps. The whole system is isolated
 
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The standard approach here is to write the internal energy of the systems in differential form (e.g.,

[tex]dU = T_1\,dS_1 +T_2\,dS_2- p_1\,dV_1 - p_2\,dV_2+ \mu_1\,dN_1+ \mu_2\,dN_2+ E_1\,dq_1+ E_2\,dq_2+\dots[/tex]

where E is electrical potential and q is charge), solve for dS, and set this to zero to find what would happen at equilibrium.
KFC said:
I think they have same temperature because such system could come to equilibrium when time is longer enough, right?

Not necessarily; equilibrium doesn't mean that the properties are homogeneous. If energy is coupled to charge (which would be the case for individual particles), then a difference in electrical potential between the two systems could lead to a temperature gradient, as exemplified by the thermoelectric effect.
 
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Mapes said:
The standard approach here is to write the internal energy of the systems in differential form (e.g.,

[tex]dU = T_1\,dS_1 +T_2\,dS_2- p_1\,dV_1 - p_2\,dV_2+ \mu_1\,dN_1+ \mu_2\,dN_2+ E_1\,dq_1+ E_2\,dq_2+\dots[/tex]

where E is electrical potential and q is charge), solve for dS, and set this to zero to find what would happen at equilibrium.


Not necessarily; equilibrium doesn't mean that the properties are homogeneous. If energy is coupled to charge (which would be the case for individual particles), then a difference in electrical potential between the two systems could lead to a temperature gradient, as exemplified by the thermoelectric effect.

I fogot to say, no interaction b/w particles
 

1. What is temperature and how is it measured?

Temperature is a measure of the average kinetic energy of the particles in a substance. It is typically measured using a thermometer, which uses the expansion or contraction of a liquid, such as mercury, to determine the temperature of the surrounding environment.

2. How can we determine if two systems have the same temperature?

One way to determine if two systems have the same temperature is to bring them into thermal contact and observe if there is a transfer of heat between them. If there is no transfer of heat, then the systems are said to be in thermal equilibrium and have the same temperature.

3. Can we use the color of an object to determine its temperature?

Yes, the color of an object can give an indication of its temperature. For example, a red-hot object will have a higher temperature than a blue-hot object. However, this method is not as accurate as using a thermometer or other scientific instruments.

4. Is there a universal temperature scale that can compare temperatures across different units of measurement?

Yes, the Kelvin scale is considered to be a universal temperature scale as it is based on the absolute zero point of temperature. This means that the temperature of a substance cannot go below 0K, making it a useful scale for comparing temperatures across different units of measurement.

5. Why is it important to accurately measure and compare temperatures?

Accurate measurement and comparison of temperatures are important in many scientific fields, such as chemistry and physics. It allows us to understand how heat is transferred and how substances behave at different temperatures. It also helps us to monitor and control various industrial processes and to predict weather patterns.

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