How to Translate and Prove a Complex Predicate Logic Statement?

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The discussion focuses on translating the complex predicate logic statement "For every positive real number x, there exists a positive real number y such that yz² > xz + 10 for every positive integer z" into formal predicate logic. The correct translation is established as ∀(x ∈ R⁺, z ∈ Z⁺) ∃y ∈ R⁺ such that Q(x, y, z). Participants clarify the use of variables and notation, emphasizing the importance of using proper symbols like ℝ and mathbb{R} for clarity in mathematical expressions.

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Homework Statement



No matter what positive real number x we choose, there exists some positive real number y
such that yz2 > xz + 10 for every positive integer z.

Translate the above statement to predicate logic and prove it using a direct approach.

Homework Equations



I don't believe that there are relevant equations for this problem.

The Attempt at a Solution



Let Q (x, y, z) = yz2 > xz + 10

\forallx ∈ ℝ+ \existsy ∈ ℝ+ \forallz ∈ Z+ Q(x, y, z)

Before I attempted to prove the theorem, I wanted to make sure that I got the predicate logic translation right. I don't think that the above translation is right, but I hope I'm on the right track. I've never translated into predicate logic with 3 variables. It's usually just x and y, so should it be (x, y, z)? Also, does \forallz ∈ Z+ come after Q (x, y, z) since it does in the statement?
 
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SolarMidnite said:

Homework Statement



No matter what positive real number x we choose, there exists some positive real number y
such that yz2 > xz + 10 for every positive integer z.

Translate the above statement to predicate logic and prove it using a direct approach.

Homework Equations



I don't believe that there are relevant equations for this problem.

The Attempt at a Solution



Let Q (x, y, z) = yz2 > xz + 10

\forallx ∈ ℝ+ \existsy ∈ ℝ+ \forallz ∈ Z+ Q(x, y, z)

Before I attempted to prove the theorem, I wanted to make sure that I got the predicate logic translation right. I don't think that the above translation is right, but I hope I'm on the right track. I've never translated into predicate logic with 3 variables. It's usually just x and y, so should it be (x, y, z)? Also, does \forallz ∈ Z+ come after Q (x, y, z) since it does in the statement?
I would write it this way.

\forall (x ∈ R^+, z ∈ Z^+) \exists y ∈ R^+ \ni Q(x, y, z)

In addition to other changes, I also replaced ℝwith R, since ℝis so tiny I can barely tell it's a version of the letter R.

There's a nicer one that you can get with mathbb{R}, as in
\mathbb{R}.
 

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