How was the Taylor expansion for SSB in superconductors done?

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The discussion revolves around the Taylor expansion related to spontaneous symmetry breaking (SSB) in superconductors, specifically focusing on the potential for a complex scalar field and the implications of field redefinitions. Participants explore the mathematical formulation and notation used in the context of this expansion.

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  • One participant presents the potential for a complex scalar field and questions how the expansion around the parameter ##\eta## is performed.
  • Another participant asks for clarification on the relationship between ##\eta## and ##\phi##, indicating a need for a reference to support the discussion.
  • A participant suggests rewriting the expression to define a real scalar field ##\rho## instead of using ##\phi## for two different quantities, proposing that this might clarify the field redefinition.
  • One participant acknowledges confusion regarding the notation and the absence of a mention of the newly defined real field in the text.
  • Another participant notes that the book uses ##\varphi## to distinguish the newly defined field from ##\phi##, indicating a preference for clearer notation.
  • A later reply reflects on the difficulty of noticing differences in notation, despite close inspection, highlighting the challenges in understanding the material.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express confusion over the notation and the definitions used, indicating a lack of consensus on how to properly represent the fields involved in the expansion. There are competing views on the clarity of the notation and the implications of the field redefinition.

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Limitations include potential misunderstandings stemming from the notation used in the text and the absence of explicit definitions for the fields involved. The discussion does not resolve these issues.

LayMuon
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I am reading about spontaneous symmtry breaking for superconductors and came a cross to this simple statement:

Here is the potential for complex scalar field: [itex]V = 1/2 \lambda^2 (|\phi|^2 -\eta^2)^2[/itex].
Scalar field is small and we can expand its modulus around [itex]\eta[/itex]:

[tex] <br /> \phi(x) = |\phi(x)| e^{i \alpha(x)} = (\eta + \frac{1}{\sqrt{2}} \phi(x)) e^{i \alpha(x)}[/tex]

How did he do that expansion?
 
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If that's just an expansion, then where did that ##\eta## come from? What is the relationship between ##\eta## and ##\phi##?

I might help to provide an exact reference. Link directly to the relevant page at google books if that's possible.
 
LayMuon said:
I am reading about spontaneous symmtry breaking for superconductors and came a cross to this simple statement:

Here is the potential for complex scalar field: [itex]V = 1/2 \lambda^2 (|\phi|^2 -\eta^2)^2[/itex].
Scalar field is small and we can expand its modulus around [itex]\eta[/itex]:

[tex] <br /> \phi(x) = |\phi(x)| e^{i \alpha(x)} = (\eta + \frac{1}{\sqrt{2}} \phi(x)) e^{i \alpha(x)}[/tex]

How did he do that expansion?

This expression is using ##\phi## for two related, but different quantities. It would be better to rewrite this as


[tex] <br /> \phi(x) = |\phi(x)| e^{i \alpha(x)} = (\eta + \frac{1}{\sqrt{2}} \rho(x)) e^{i \alpha(x)}.[/tex]

This formula defines a real scalar field ##\rho##. You might try to rewrite the potential in terms of ##\rho## to get an idea of why one might want to do this field redefinition.
 
You are right, I think it was wrong in the text, there was no mentioning of this newly defined real field, no notation change, so I got confused.
 
Fredrik said:
If that's just an expansion, then where did that ##\eta## come from? What is the relationship between ##\eta## and ##\phi##?

I might help to provide an exact reference. Link directly to the relevant page at google books if that's possible.

here is the attachment with that page from the book.
 

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The book uses ##\varphi## (\varphi in TeX) to distinguish the newly defined field from ##\phi##. I almost used it too, but figured the redefinition would be clearer with a completely different symbol.
 
fzero said:
The book uses ##\varphi## (\varphi in TeX) to distinguish the newly defined field from ##\phi##. I almost used it too, but figured the redefinition would be clearer with a completely different symbol.

Yes, I was confused. For me phi is phi. it's interested how brain doesn't notice the difference even with close inspection.
 

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