How we differentiate between bosons and fermions?

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The discussion revolves around the differentiation between bosons and fermions, focusing on experimental methods and theoretical distinctions. Participants explore the implications of particle spin, decay processes, and alternative classifications of particles.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that fermions have half-integer spins and follow the Pauli exclusion principle, while bosons have integer spins.
  • One participant suggests the Stern–Gerlach experiment as a famous method to differentiate between the two types of particles.
  • Another participant argues that decay probabilities can classify particles, but emphasizes that the actual spin value is determined through angular analysis of decay products.
  • Claims are made regarding the implications of particle classification on atomic structure and chemistry, with examples involving electrons, protons, neutrons, and their decay processes.
  • A participant introduces the concept of para-statistics as an alternative classification method, referencing a paper by H.S. Green from 1953.
  • Another participant expresses uncertainty about the legitimacy of the para-statistics paper but acknowledges it as a respectable concept that accounts for certain particle substructures.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants present multiple competing views regarding the methods of differentiation between bosons and fermions, with no consensus reached on the validity of alternative classifications like para-statistics.

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Some claims depend on specific assumptions about particle behavior and decay processes, and the discussion includes references to theoretical concepts that may not be universally accepted.

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if we have two particle then how we differentiate between boson and fermion ,any experiment that differentiate them?
 
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Fermions have half-integer spins (they follow the Pauli exclusion principle), whereas bosons always have integer spins.
 
PWiz said:
Fermions have half-integer spins (they follow the Pauli exclusion principle), whereas bosons always have integer spins.
i knw but wht exp that differentiate them??
 
There's more than one possibility, but the most famous example would be the Stern–Gerlach experiment. Here's a more detailed description.

Another way (as you would do in particle physics collisions) would to look at the decay of the particle. The spin and parity will affect the various decay probabilities.
 
Decay probabilities are rarely used, they depend on too many other things. Just the possibility of a decay channel is sufficient to classify the particle. Finding its actual spin value is then done by angular analysis of the decay products.

In case we suddenly forget all spin values:
Electrons have to be fermions, otherwise all electrons in atoms would occupy the lowest energy state and there would be no chemistry.
Protons and neutrons have to be fermions, otherwise the nuclide chart would look completely different (e. g. more stable large elements).
The decay of a fermion always leads to an odd number of fermions, the decay of a boson always leads to an even number.
In beta decays, neutrons decay to proton+electron+neutrino, therefore the neutrino has to be a fermion. It also follows that the W has to be a boson.
Electron+positron, both fermions, can annihilate to two and three photons, therefore the photon has to be a boson.
Quarks can radiate gluons, which looks like "quark -> quark+gluon", therefore the gluon has to be a boson. The same is true for Z, W, photons and Higgs.
Three valence quarks make up a proton or neutron, therefore quarks have to be fermions.
The Higgs can decay to two photons, therefore it has to be a boson.
 
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I read in I think it was Rudolf Haag's Local Quantum Physics, that there was a paper by someone that suggested a different sorting of particles, instead of bosons and fermions.

Yeah, it's on page 35, instead of Bose-Fermi statistics there has been suggested a para-statistics which have been suggested by H.S Green in his paper from 1953 called "A generalized method of field quantization ".(http://journals.aps.org/pr/pdf/10.1103/PhysRev.90.270 ).

The boson/fermion distinction is deduced from this generalized method, I am not sure if this paper is legitimate, since we'd be learning it in university graduate or undergraduate courses if it were.
 
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MathematicalPhysicist said:
I am not sure if this paper is legitimate
Parastatistics is a perfectly respectable concept. It can also account for the substructure of mesons and baryons but was later displaced by QCD which gave a more powerful machinery to work with.
 

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