How would the arcsin function look like without a restricted range?

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The discussion revolves around the behavior and graphical representation of the arcsin function when its range is not restricted. Participants explore the implications of removing restrictions on the sine function's domain and the resulting characteristics of the arcsin function.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about the arcsin function's range and requests a graph without restrictions.
  • Another participant questions the assumption that the range is not R and suggests that plotting software adheres to mathematical conventions.
  • A participant clarifies that arcsin is the inverse of the sin function, which is typically restricted, and seeks a graph of arcsin without these restrictions.
  • One participant proposes that the arcsin values could be "copied" from the restricted range into an infinite series of vertical shifts, suggesting a pattern in the graph.
  • A later reply seeks clarification on the concept of subsets and expresses a lack of understanding regarding the mathematical terminology used.
  • Another participant explains that "multiplication" refers to repeating the arcsin plot and clarifies the meaning of Oy as the Y-axis.
  • A participant shares a link to a graph they believe represents the arcsin function without restrictions.
  • Another participant challenges the previous graph, arguing that vertical shifts of nπ would require horizontal reflections due to the properties of the sine function.
  • One participant concludes that without domain restrictions, the arcsin graph would resemble the sine graph reflected along the y-axis, noting that it would not represent a function due to multiple y-values for a single x-value.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on how to represent the arcsin function without restrictions, with some proposing vertical shifts and others suggesting the need for reflections. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact nature of the graph.

Contextual Notes

Participants exhibit varying levels of understanding of mathematical concepts such as subsets, vertical shifts, and the implications of removing restrictions from functions.

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I need help. I'm totally puzzled. How would the arcsin function look like without a restricted range? Can anyone post an image?

http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/9886/arcsin.png
 
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Why do you think the range is not R, but it is restricted ? Usually plotting computer software knows its maths...
 


dextercioby said:
Why do you think the range is not R, but it is restricted ? Usually plotting computer software knows its maths...

Hmm? I understand that arcsin is just the inverse of the sin function which is restricted between negative pi/2 and positive pi/2. But I want a graph of the function that is the inverse of the sin function without any domain restrictions on the sin function. It wouldn't be a function though, because it wouldn't pass the vertical line test.
 


So you want the subset of \mathbb{R}\oplus\mathbb{R} made up of

S= \{(x,\arcsin x)| x\in [-1,1]\}

and the values of arcsine are 'copied' from [-\pi/2,\pi/2] into [-\pi/2 +n\pi ,\pi/2 + n \pi] and n can take any integer value ?

So it's just an infinite multiplication of the plot of the standard arcsine with a shift along Oy axis of \pi.
 


dextercioby said:
So you want the subset of \mathbb{R}\oplus\mathbb{R} made up of

S= \{(x,\arcsin x)| x\in [-1,1]\}

and the values of arcsine are 'copied' from [-\pi/2,\pi/2] into [-\pi/2 +n\pi ,\pi/2 + n \pi] and n can take any integer value ?

So it's just an infinite multiplication of the plot of the standard arcsine with a shift along Oy axis of \pi.

I really wish I understood what a subset is. We're learning the inverse trigonometric functions in the trigonometry unit of my precalculus class, so I haven't really gotten into more complex stuff.

What do you mean by infinite multiplication of the plot of the standard arcsine? What's Oy and \pi?
 


Multiplication means repeating, copying the points in the plot of arcsin x, where x ranges from -1 to 1. Oy is the Y axis.
 


So it would look like this: http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/5679/62578051.png
 
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Actually, no, that's wrong. I understand the arcsin's with vertical shifts of 2pi, but sin(x + pi) = -sin(x), so wouldn't the arcsin's with vertical shifts of npi (where n is every odd integer) need to be horizontally reflected?
 


Without restricting the domain, the graph of arcsine would look exactly like the graph of sine but along the y-axis, not the x-axis. Of course, that is not the graph of a function since one value of x would give infinitely many values of y.
 
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Thanks everyone. It makes sense now.
 

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