Hunting in UK: How to Hunt Without Guns or Hounds

[Cyrus]

The US, a true 'free society', which means you now have a gun crime rate 25 times higher than the UK. Oh yes, the benefits of gun ownership paying off there.

Anyway, there is a time and a place for debates on firearms, this is neither the time nor the place. These debates are pointless and get no where. Let's stick to the UK hunting situation.

You know, if you want to lecture me about the 'time and place' for this debate, then you shouldn't insert nonsense like 25 times higher rates than the UK - it comes off as being sleazy and hypocritical.

I specifically said for him to apply for a permit to hunting, did that escape you? Anyways, it's you guys country and I really don't care what you do there.

 

[JaredJames]

Well as I can't PM you so as not to drag this thread off track:

You know, if you want to lecture me about the 'time and place' for this debate, then you shouldn't insert nonsense like 25 times higher rates than the UK - it comes off as being sleazy and hypocritical.

Based on these sources:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence

http://www.gun-control-network.org/GF01.htm

They show the US gun homicide rate per 100,000 people to be 25 - 27 times higher than the UK. What's nonsense about that?

The non-gun related homicide rates of England and Wales to the US are virtually identical.

The graph on the gun-control-network page shows that as the percentage of households with firearms increases, there are more intentional deaths per 100,000 of the population. So to say the UK's strict gun control laws aren't working is ridiculous.

 

[Cyrus]

Well as I can't PM you so as not to drag this thread off track:
Based on these sources:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence

http://www.gun-control-network.org/GF01.htm

They show the US gun homicide rate per 100,000 people to be 25 - 27 times higher than the UK. What's nonsense about that?

The non-gun related homicide rates of England and Wales to the US are virtually identical.

The graph on the gun-control-network page shows that as the percentage of households with firearms increases, there are more intentional deaths per 100,000 of the population. So to say the UK's strict gun control laws aren't working is ridiculous.

Dude, seriously. Stick to hunting. Please. I'm not going to defend your strawmen.

 

[jtbell]

Although to be fair the most fearsome creature they are likely to encounter is the dread badger.
They do not have to arm themselves to defend against grizzly bears, wolves, coyotes, mountain lions and moose that Americans face on their delay commute.

That's hilarious.

Tell that to my colleague who once had the front end of his car bashed in by a deer while driving to work here one morning.

 

[apeiron]

Dude, seriously. Stick to hunting. Please. I'm not going to defend your strawmen.

Hilarious. You raise the issue of governments treating citizens as children. The counter argument is that it is completely right to ban guns designed purely for killing people, to allow guns for "sporting purposes", but to also control those sporting guns in ways that limit the possibility of "dual use".

One is a coherent set of public policies. The other - your idea of a civic right - is accompanied by a x25 greater rate of gun homicide. Not seeing too many strawmen here, just some facts you don't care to face.

 

[Cyrus]

Hilarious. You raise the issue of governments treating citizens as children.

In regards to hunting.

The counter argument is that it is completely right to ban guns designed purely for killing people, to allow guns for "sporting purposes", but to also control those sporting guns in ways that limit the possibility of "dual use".

Re: Bold - What a woefully ignorant comment. Go learn about guns before making statements concerning them. This is idiotic. If you spent half the time educating yourself about guns as you do trying to dig up statistics, people might take you seriously.

One is a coherent set of public policies. The other - your idea of a civic right - is accompanied by a x25 greater rate of gun homicide. Not seeing too many strawmen here, just some facts you don't care to face.

Again, I am not here to argue about gun crime rates in the US vs the UK, I don't care. And I don't have to "face" anything - get over yourself, apeiron. This thread is about hunting, if you don't want to stay on topic, then leave.

Anyways, I really don't care about the UK, you guys have your laws. You wanted them, you got them. Enjoy them: It's not my problem. I have no desire to ever live in your country.

Note: I've been on this forum for years now, I've had this debate more times than I care to count. Simply put, I'm not going to waste my time on it anymore. It gets old.

 

[apeiron]

Re: Bold - What a woefully ignorant comment. Go learn about guns before making statements concerning them. This is idiotic.

Are you seriously claiming guns like the AR-15 or Glock 19 were not designed for killing humans as their primary purpose? Both were created as combat weapons.

If you want to argue otherwise, please back it up with proper evidence.

Blah, what a miserable system of restrictions on personal freedoms.

How is banning guns designed as people-killers a bad thing? You made the statement, so you back it up.

The fact that US gun homicide is x25 the UKs and most other civilised countries is something you don't want to talk about because it flatly contradicts your statement about "a miserable system of restrictions on personal freedoms".

 

[Cyrus]

Are you seriously claiming guns like the AR-15 or Glock 19 were not designed for killing humans as their primary purpose? Both were created as combat weapons.

If you want to argue otherwise, please back it up with proper evidence.
How is banning guns designed as people-killers a bad thing? You made the statement, so you back it up.

The fact that US gun homicide is x25 the UKs and most other civilised countries is something you don't want to talk about because it flatly contradicts your statement about "a miserable system of restrictions on personal freedoms".

Make a new thread if you want to discuss this issue. I'm done with you. You can say this until you turn blue in the face - I still won't care. I already said you guys choose your laws, and that's your right. It's not my problem. I have no idea why you keep bringing this up.