Hunting in UK: How to Hunt Without Guns or Hounds

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around hunting practices in the UK, particularly in the context of gun ownership restrictions and the legality of using hounds. Participants explore various methods of hunting without firearms or traditional hunting aids, as well as the implications of current laws on hunting culture and practices.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question how hunting is conducted in the UK given the restrictions on gun ownership and the legality of hounds.
  • Others suggest that air rifles are now commonly used for hunting in the UK, although this raises concerns about the adequacy of such methods.
  • There are claims that the tightening of gun laws has negatively impacted hunters, with some expressing sympathy for those affected by these regulations.
  • A participant notes that hunting in the UK has historically been a privilege of a small, wealthy minority, which complicates the narrative around gun control and hunting rights.
  • Some argue that the focus on hunting laws reflects broader societal issues, including class dynamics and urban versus rural tensions.
  • There are humorous remarks about the types of wildlife encountered in the UK compared to North America, with some suggesting that the dangers faced by hunters differ significantly between the two regions.
  • Participants discuss the practicality of using different types of firearms for hunting, with some arguing against the need for handguns or automatic weapons.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the implications of gun laws for hunting in the UK, with no consensus on whether the restrictions are justified or beneficial. Disagreement exists regarding the impact of these laws on the hunting community and the nature of hunting itself.

Contextual Notes

Some participants highlight the complexity of hunting regulations and the socio-political context surrounding gun ownership in the UK, noting that the discussion touches on issues of privilege, legality, and cultural differences in hunting practices.

  • #31
jarednjames said:
The US, a true 'free society', which means you now have a gun crime rate 25 times higher than the UK. Oh yes, the benefits of gun ownership paying off there.

Anyway, there is a time and a place for debates on firearms, this is neither the time nor the place. These debates are pointless and get no where. Let's stick to the UK hunting situation.

You know, if you want to lecture me about the 'time and place' for this debate, then you shouldn't insert nonsense like 25 times higher rates than the UK - it comes off as being sleazy and hypocritical.

I specifically said for him to apply for a permit to hunting, did that escape you? Anyways, it's you guys country and I really don't care what you do there.
 
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  • #32
Well as I can't PM you so as not to drag this thread off track:

Cyrus said:
You know, if you want to lecture me about the 'time and place' for this debate, then you shouldn't insert nonsense like 25 times higher rates than the UK - it comes off as being sleazy and hypocritical.

Based on these sources:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence

http://www.gun-control-network.org/GF01.htm

They show the US gun homicide rate per 100,000 people to be 25 - 27 times higher than the UK. What's nonsense about that?

The non-gun related homicide rates of England and Wales to the US are virtually identical.

The graph on the gun-control-network page shows that as the percentage of households with firearms increases, there are more intentional deaths per 100,000 of the population. So to say the UK's strict gun control laws aren't working is ridiculous.
 
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  • #33
jarednjames said:
Well as I can't PM you so as not to drag this thread off track:
Based on these sources:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence

http://www.gun-control-network.org/GF01.htm

They show the US gun homicide rate per 100,000 people to be 25 - 27 times higher than the UK. What's nonsense about that?

The non-gun related homicide rates of England and Wales to the US are virtually identical.

The graph on the gun-control-network page shows that as the percentage of households with firearms increases, there are more intentional deaths per 100,000 of the population. So to say the UK's strict gun control laws aren't working is ridiculous.

Dude, seriously. Stick to hunting. Please. I'm not going to defend your strawmen.
 
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  • #34
NobodySpecial said:
Although to be fair the most fearsome creature they are likely to encounter is the dread badger.
They do not have to arm themselves to defend against grizzly bears, wolves, coyotes, mountain lions and moose that Americans face on their delay commute.

Cyrus said:
:smile: That's hilarious.

Tell that to my colleague who once had the front end of his car bashed in by a deer while driving to work here one morning. :wink:
 
  • #35
Cyrus said:
Dude, seriously. Stick to hunting. Please. I'm not going to defend your strawmen.

Hilarious. You raise the issue of governments treating citizens as children. The counter argument is that it is completely right to ban guns designed purely for killing people, to allow guns for "sporting purposes", but to also control those sporting guns in ways that limit the possibility of "dual use".

One is a coherent set of public policies. The other - your idea of a civic right - is accompanied by a x25 greater rate of gun homicide. Not seeing too many strawmen here, just some facts you don't care to face.
 
  • #36
apeiron said:
Hilarious. You raise the issue of governments treating citizens as children.

In regards to hunting.

The counter argument is that it is completely right to ban guns designed purely for killing people, to allow guns for "sporting purposes", but to also control those sporting guns in ways that limit the possibility of "dual use".

Re: Bold - What a woefully ignorant comment. Go learn about guns before making statements concerning them. This is idiotic. If you spent half the time educating yourself about guns as you do trying to dig up statistics, people might take you seriously.

One is a coherent set of public policies. The other - your idea of a civic right - is accompanied by a x25 greater rate of gun homicide. Not seeing too many strawmen here, just some facts you don't care to face.

Again, I am not here to argue about gun crime rates in the US vs the UK, I don't care. And I don't have to "face" anything - get over yourself, apeiron. This thread is about hunting, if you don't want to stay on topic, then leave.

Anyways, I really don't care about the UK, you guys have your laws. You wanted them, you got them. Enjoy them: It's not my problem. I have no desire to ever live in your country.

Note: I've been on this forum for years now, I've had this debate more times than I care to count. Simply put, I'm not going to waste my time on it anymore. It gets old.
 
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  • #37
Cyrus said:
Re: Bold - What a woefully ignorant comment. Go learn about guns before making statements concerning them. This is idiotic.

Are you seriously claiming guns like the AR-15 or Glock 19 were not designed for killing humans as their primary purpose? Both were created as combat weapons.

If you want to argue otherwise, please back it up with proper evidence.

Cyrus said:
Blah, what a miserable system of restrictions on personal freedoms.

How is banning guns designed as people-killers a bad thing? You made the statement, so you back it up.

The fact that US gun homicide is x25 the UKs and most other civilised countries is something you don't want to talk about because it flatly contradicts your statement about "a miserable system of restrictions on personal freedoms".
 
  • #38
apeiron said:
Are you seriously claiming guns like the AR-15 or Glock 19 were not designed for killing humans as their primary purpose? Both were created as combat weapons.

If you want to argue otherwise, please back it up with proper evidence.
How is banning guns designed as people-killers a bad thing? You made the statement, so you back it up.

The fact that US gun homicide is x25 the UKs and most other civilised countries is something you don't want to talk about because it flatly contradicts your statement about "a miserable system of restrictions on personal freedoms".

Make a new thread if you want to discuss this issue. I'm done with you. You can say this until you turn blue in the face - I still won't care. I already said you guys choose your laws, and that's your right. It's not my problem. I have no idea why you keep bringing this up.
 

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