Hybridization states of the 8 orbitals (*) of Xe and Os

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The discussion centers on the hybridization states of the orbitals of xenon (Xe) and osmium (Os) in the compounds XeF8 and OsF8. Participants explore the theoretical justification of these hybridizations in relation to quantum theory and valence bond theory, as well as the involvement of f orbitals in bonding.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant requests book references for the hybridization states of Xe and Os in XeF8 and OsF8, questioning the involvement of f orbitals in bonding.
  • Another participant argues that quantum theory is not at odds with valence-bond theory and suggests that XeF8 is not stable, while expressing uncertainty about the existence of OsF8.
  • A different participant references a Wikipedia article on xenon halides and proposes that the bonds in XeF7 could be justified by hybridization theory, suggesting a hybridization of f2sp3d2.
  • Another participant asserts that in main group compounds, neither d nor f orbitals contribute to bonding or hybridization, implying a different perspective on the hybridization process.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the stability of XeF8 and the existence of OsF8, as well as the role of f orbitals in hybridization. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing views present.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the assumptions made about the stability of the compounds and the definitions of hybridization states. The discussion does not resolve the mathematical or theoretical steps involved in justifying the proposed hybridizations.

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Dear all,

can you point me to a book reference where the hybridization states of the 8 orbitals (*) of Xe and Os in these 2 compounds [itex]\mbox{XeF_{8}}[/itex] and [itex]\mbox{OsF_{8}}[/itex] are justified in agreement with the quantum theory?

Do these 16 bonds involve the "f" orbitals or not ?

Thank you

Added(*): 8 <valence shell electrons>.
 
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This post makes little sense to me.
Quantum theory is not at odds with valence-bond theory; the latter is derived from the former. These compounds have a lot more than 8 orbitals. XeF8 is not a stable compound (XeF6 is) and I don't know that OsF8 has been observed in practice either.

Anyway, in classical VBT, the osmium compound would probably have f-hybrid orbitals involved directly, but not xenon hexafluoride.

Shaik's book on modern valence-bond theory is the best on the topic.
 


At the first glance http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenon#Halides seems pretty ok. The whole article seems pretty ok.

So let's choose the part here

<The xenon fluorides behave as both fluoride acceptors and fluoride donors, forming salts that contain such cations as XeF+ and Xe2F3+, and anions such as XeF5−, XeF7−, and XeF82−>.

Can the bonds in the last ion be justified by hybridization theory ? I'm thinking f2sp3d2 ?

Ok, the wiki page on Os doen't mention the F_8 compound, but what about the F_7 ? Should't that be fsp3d2 ?
 
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In main group compounds, neither d nor f orbitals contribute to bonding or hybridization.
For a modern valence bond description see e.g.:

http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/S1380-7323(99)80022-3
 
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