Hydrogen + oxygen model rockets

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The discussion revolves around the feasibility of using a gaseous mixture of hydrogen and oxygen as rocket fuel in a pressurized container. The original poster questions the expected thrust and the mass of the gases at a specific pressure, while also attempting to apply the ideal gas law to a 2/1 molar ratio of hydrogen to oxygen.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants explore the application of the ideal gas law in the context of a gas mixture, question the implications of partial pressure, and discuss the safety concerns associated with mixing hydrogen and oxygen in a pressurized environment.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing insights into the properties of gas mixtures and raising safety concerns. Some guidance on calculations has been attempted, but there is no clear consensus on the application of the ideal gas law or the safety of the proposed setup.

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There are ongoing debates about the safety of mixing hydrogen and oxygen in a storage container, with references to the risks associated with pressurized gas mixtures. The original poster's assumptions about the gas behavior under pressure and temperature conditions are also under scrutiny.

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Could one expect to get a good thrust off oxygen and hydrogen fuel in a gaseous form, pumped at ~60 PSI into a 2 liter container? How much (in terms of mass) oxygen and hydrogen would be in the said container at such a pressure, assuming we have a 2/1 hydrogen/oxygen ratio in terms of moles? How did you calculate the amount in question?

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I tried to use the ideal gas law, but it doesn't' seem to apply when there's a 2/1 molar mix of two gases in one container.
 
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Are you familiar with the concept of partial pressure?
 
I think another word for a pressurized container filled with a mixture of hydrogen and oxygen gas would be a "bomb".
 
phyzguy said:
I think another word for a pressurized container filled with a mixture of hydrogen and oxygen gas would be a "bomb".

It's a fuel tank. The fuel (oxygen and hydrogen) will be directed into a combustion chamber automatically, due to the high pressure of the fuel tank. No offense, but by your logic, most liquid fuel boosters would also be bombs.
 
Also, assuming that we fill a 2 liter container with hydrogen under a 20 psi pressure, would the hydrogen in the said container weight:

137880*2=n*8.3144621*293.15
n=(137880*2)/(8.3144621*293.15)
n=113.137665678

m=113.137665678*1.007947 = 114.036770707 grams

assuming the temperature is 293.15 degrees Kelvin?
 
Convert liters to cubic meters.
 
Cinitiator said:
It's a fuel tank. The fuel (oxygen and hydrogen) will be directed into a combustion chamber automatically, due to the high pressure of the fuel tank. No offense, but by your logic, most liquid fuel boosters would also be bombs.

Liquid fuel rockets store the fuel and oxidizer separately and only mix them in the combustion chamber. Mixing them in the storage container is a recipe for disaster. Perhaps I'm wrong - I'm not an expert in this area, but it sounds to me like you are on very dangerous ground.
 

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