Hydrogen probability distribution

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The discussion revolves around the significance of the probability distribution for hydrogen atoms, specifically focusing on the spherical harmonics associated with different orbital angular momentum quantum numbers (l). Participants explore the implications of the sums of the squared spherical harmonics for l = 1 and l = 2.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the sums of the squared spherical harmonics for l = 1 and l = 2, suggesting a relationship to the probability distribution in hydrogen atoms.
  • Another participant claims that there are five-thirds as many states for l = 2 compared to l = 1, linking this to the number of orbitals available for each l value.
  • Several participants question the understanding of terms and the reasoning behind the calculations, particularly regarding the significance of the sums and the meaning of |Y_l^m|^2.
  • There is a suggestion that the numerator in the sums represents the degeneracy for a given l, with a clarification that m can take on 2l + 1 possible values.
  • Discussion includes the contribution of each spin/orbit state to the overall calculation, with a focus on the interpretation of |Y_l^m|^2.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the significance of the sums and the terms involved, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved with multiple viewpoints presented.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty about the definitions and implications of the terms used, and there are unresolved questions regarding the calculations and their significance in the context of hydrogen atom probability distributions.

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I have found that:

For l = 1:

[tex]\sum_{m=-l}^l |Y_l^m|^2 = \frac{3}{4\pi}[/tex]

For l = 2:

[tex]\sum_{m=-l}^l |Y_l^m|^2 = \frac{5}{4\pi}[/tex]

What significance does this have for the probability distribution in an hydrogen atom?
 
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the significance is that there are five-thirds as many states of orbital angular momentum l=2, than for l=1. This makes sense because there are five orbitals for l=2, and three orbitals for l=1, for all the values of m.
 
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Do you know what those terms mean?
Do you know why you did the sum in each case?
 
Simon Bridge said:
Do you know what those terms mean?
Do you know why you did the sum in each case?

I think the numerator gives the degeneracy for a certain l?

since -l ≤ m ≤ l, m can take on 2l+1 possible values.

Like possible states for |n,l,m>:

For l = 1:

Possible states are |n,1,-1> and |n,1,0> and |n,1,1>
 
I think the numerator gives the degeneracy for a certain l?
Each spin/orbit state contributes a factor of ##1/4\pi## to the overall thingy being calculated.

But I meant the terms on the RHS.

For a particular |n,l,m> state, what does |Ylm|2 mean?

Now - what was your question?
 

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