Hydrostatic force on a plane surface

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the hydrostatic force on a triangular lamina by determining the width of the strip of integration across the surface. Participants explore the integration process, the equations involved, and the necessity of splitting the region for integration based on the geometry of the triangle.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant states the need to find the width of the strip of integration, w(s), defined as x_right(s) - x_left(s) for different ranges of s.
  • Another suggests splitting the integration into two sections and integrating over y, emphasizing the importance of determining the equations of the triangle's sides.
  • A participant questions the correctness of the proposed equation for w(s), pointing out potential issues with the terms used and the dimensions involved.
  • There is a correction regarding the use of (d-b) instead of (b-d) in the equation for w(s), indicating a misunderstanding in the initial formulation.
  • Concerns are raised about the dimensional consistency of the terms in the equation, particularly regarding the term ds/h, which is noted to be dimensionless.
  • Another participant proposes an alternative expression for w(s) based on similar triangles, suggesting that there may be additional factors like (1-lambda) that need to be considered.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the formulation of w(s) and whether the integration should be split. There is no consensus on the correct approach or the equations to use, indicating ongoing debate and uncertainty in the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not fully resolved the dimensional issues or the necessity of splitting the integration region, and there are unresolved mathematical steps regarding the equations of the triangle's sides.

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Homework Statement



im required to find the width of the strip of integration across the triangular lamina w(s) and then integrate to find the area

I am given w(s) = x_right(s) - x_left(s) between 0<s<λh and λh<s<h




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The Attempt at a Solution



i have found the equation i think for the first inequality using similar triangles

w(s) = (d-b)s/λh + ds/h (do i need to find anonther equation for w(s) with for the second inequality?)

due to the orientation of the triangle I am not sure whether i have to split the region up into two sections when integrating to find the area

i would really appreciate it if someone could point me in the right direction i don't want any solutions

thanks in advance
 

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You could split it into two sections and integrate over y, then sum the results. You have to find the equations of the lines that form the three sides of the triangle. Your limits of integration should go from -h to -lambda*h and from -lambda*h to 0 for the second integral.
 
your function "w(s) = (d-b)s/λh + ds/h" can't be correct on 2 accounts.
In the first term, why is d-b used and not b-d?. In the second term the dimensions are not correct. Some length is missing?
"im not sure whether i have to split the region up" If the functions are different, they must be done separately.
 
thank you both for your replies, yes your right i copied it up wrong i meant to put (b-d)

how do you man some legnth is missing? a h canceled when calculating w(s). that's fine i was just unsure about the integration but i think that may help thanks again
 
The term ds/h is dimensionless, whereas w(s) has units of length. (EDIT) Sorry, I misread the d as a delta. (second edit) Doesn't ds/h give the length xl(s). But that isn't exactly the length you want to include in w(s).
 
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pongo38 said:
The term ds/h is dimensionless, whereas w(s) has units of length. (EDIT) Sorry, I misread the d as a delta. (second edit) Doesn't ds/h give the length xl(s). But that isn't exactly the length you want to include in w(s).

erm for the first inequality w(s) would be given by xr(s) - xl(s)? so it would be (b-d)s/λh + h - ds/h - h = (b-d)s/h - ds/h. this would be a dimension of width as the h and λh would cancel with the s to leave b-d and d?
 
I agree your first term, but the second term ds/h is not right. Can you do similar triangles on the triangles Odh and s xls h. ( I think there is a 1-lambda in there somewhere)
 

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