Solve Hydrostatic Force w/ Triangle Plate - Math Homework

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the hydrostatic force on a submerged triangular plate in water, focusing on the setup of the integral for the force calculation and the correct interpretation of variables and limits. Participants are addressing a homework problem that involves mathematical reasoning and application of hydrostatic principles.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the problem and attempts to set up the integral for hydrostatic force, questioning the correctness of the bounds and the interpretation of weight density.
  • Another participant clarifies that the weight density of fresh water represents rho times g, suggesting that the integral lacks necessary components such as dx and h for pressure conversion.
  • Concerns are raised about the expression for the width of the triangle, with suggestions to verify its validity and adjust the limits of integration based on the triangle's submerged position.
  • Further clarification is sought regarding the correct expression for the width of the triangle, with one participant questioning if the expression should be adjusted to reflect the triangle's geometry accurately.
  • A suggestion is made to sketch the problem to better understand the dimensions and positions of the triangle relative to the water surface.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the correct setup of the integral, the interpretation of variables, and the limits of integration. There is no consensus on the final form of the integral or the expressions used, indicating that multiple competing views remain.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight potential issues with the definitions and expressions used in the integral setup, including the need for clarity on the variable definitions and the relationship between depth and the triangle's geometry.

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Homework Statement


A triangular plate with height 6 ft and a base of 8 ft is submerged vertically in water so that the top is 3 ft below the surface. Express the hydrostatic force against one side of the plate as an integral and evaluate it. (Recall that the weight density of water is 62.5 lb/ft3.)


Homework Equations



hydrostatic pressure is p = \rho g h

The Attempt at a Solution


The hydrostatic force is the pressure times the area of the surface that is submerged

the width of the triangle is solved using the following ratio:
\frac{w}{8}=\frac{9-x}{6}

w = \frac{8}{6} (9-x)

The force is then given by:

\int_{3}^{9} \rho g \frac{8}{6} (9-x)

Are the upper and lower bounds of the integral correct?
In this question the weight density is given in lb/ft^3 - does this value replace the value of rho in the above equation or does it represent rho times g?

Thanks for your help!
 
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The weight density of fresh water is 62.5 lb force / ft^3. This value represents rho*g.

You don't explicitly define x. Your integral has an expression for the width of the triangle (which I would check again), but it lacks dx.

I would check to see if your relation for the width gives zero width for depths from 0 to 3 feet. If this relation is in error, I suggest a change in the limits of integration to match the depths of the base and apex of the triangle.
 
Your integral is also missing h to convert rho*g to a pressure.
 
SteamKing said:
The weight density of fresh water is 62.5 lb force / ft^3. This value represents rho*g.

You don't explicitly define x. Your integral has an expression for the width of the triangle (which I would check again), but it lacks dx.

I would check to see if your relation for the width gives zero width for depths from 0 to 3 feet. If this relation is in error, I suggest a change in the limits of integration to match the depths of the base and apex of the triangle.

SteamKing said:
Your integral is also missing h to convert rho*g to a pressure.

Thank you for your help. Based on what you've told, I correct the integral to this:

F = \int_{3}^{9} \rho g \frac{8}{6}\left( 9 - x \right) x dx

How does this look?
 
Since the apex of the triangle is submerged, there can be no additional area from a depth of 3 feet to 0 feet. Your expression for the width of the triangle needs some adjustment to account for this.
 
SteamKing said:
Since the apex of the triangle is submerged, there can be no additional area from a depth of 3 feet to 0 feet. Your expression for the width of the triangle needs some adjustment to account for this.

Does this mean that the 9 - x should be actually 6 - x?

From the question, the triangle is inverted and submerged 3 ft under water... wouldn't the force be from 0 depth to 9 ddepth??
 
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I think you need to take a moment and make a sketch of the problem.

The bottom of the triangle is 9 feet below the surface, and the top is 3 feet below.
From 3 feet below to the surface, there is no triangle, so the width is zero.

If x is going to be your overall depth measured from the surface, then the vertical position relative to the base of the triangle must be the depth minus 3 feet. The depth is required to determine hydrostatic pressure, but the depth coordinate must be modified when determining position between the base and the top of the triangle.
 

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