Hyperbolic sine in Taylor Series

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The discussion revolves around the Taylor series expansion of the hyperbolic sine function, sinh(z), specifically about the point z = j*Pi. Participants are examining the mathematical relationships and steps involved in this expansion, as well as addressing uncertainties regarding the correctness of specific expressions and calculations.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about the relation stated in a worked example: sinh(j*Pi) = cos(Pi)*Sinh(0) + jcosh(x)sin(y), particularly regarding the expansion of sinh.
  • Another participant challenges the correctness of the initial relation, asserting that sinh(j*Pi) equals 0 and questioning if the intended expression was sinh(j(y + Pi)).
  • A third participant reiterates the need to calculate the first two non-zero terms in the Taylor series expansion of sinh(z) about z = j*Pi, emphasizing their confusion about the expansion process.
  • A later reply provides a detailed breakdown of the expansion using exponential forms, but acknowledges a mix-up in notation between "i" and "j" while explaining the cancellation of terms.

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Participants exhibit disagreement regarding the correctness of the initial relation and the interpretation of the Taylor series expansion. There is no consensus on the validity of the expressions presented, and confusion remains about the steps involved in the expansion.

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Participants highlight potential issues with the assumptions underlying the expressions and the need for clarity in the definitions used in the Taylor series expansion. The discussion reflects a reliance on specific mathematical identities and properties that may not be universally agreed upon.

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I am reading through a worked example of the Taylor series expansion of Sinh(z) about z=j*Pi

The example states: sinh(j*Pi)=cos(Pi)*Sinh(0) +jcosh(x)sin(y)

I am unsure of this relation. I understand why the x terms are zero but don't know the relation to expand sinh. Can anyone shed some light on this for me?

Cheers.
 
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damo03 said:
I am reading through a worked example of the Taylor series expansion of Sinh(z) about z=j*Pi

The example states: sinh(j*Pi)=cos(Pi)*Sinh(0) +jcosh(x)sin(y)
I recommend you go back and read the example again. What you write has a constant on the left and a function of y on the right. They cannot be equal. In fact it is not too hard to show that sinh(j\pi)= 0.

Do you mean sinh(j(y+ \pi))?

I am unsure of this relation. I understand why the x terms are zero but don't know the relation to expand sinh. Can anyone shed some light on this for me?

Cheers.
 
The example asks: Calculate directly the first two non-zero terms in the Taylor Series expansion of sinh(z) about z=j*\pi

The first step showin is to calculate the two non-zero terms in the Taylor series expansion of sinh(z) about z=j*\pi

f(z)=sinh(z) , Z0=j*\pi

Sinh(j*\pi)

sinh(x+jy)=cos(y)*sinh(x)+jcosh(x)sin(y) (in this case x=0, y=\pi)

It's the above line that I don't understand (how they expand sinh)...

The worked example then goes on to show that sinh(x+jy)=cos(Pi)*sinh(0)+jcosh(0)sin(Pi)

which does indeed =-1*0 + j*1*0 = 0

but that one line expansion of sinh is where i am lost.
 
You can go from the left side to the right side by "adding and subtracting" the appropriat things but to see what those things should be, it is simplest to work with the right side.
cos(y)sinh(x)+ i cosh(x)sin(y)= \frac{e^{iy}+ e^{-iy}}{2}\frac{e^x- e^{-x}}{2}+ i\frac{e^x+ e^{-x}}{2}\frac{e^{iy}- e^{-iy}}{2i}
The "i" in the numerator and the "i" in the denominator in the second term will cancel. (Sorry about writing "i" instead of "j"- I just can't stop myself!)
The denominators of course will be 4. Multiplying out the numerators,
e^xe^{iy}+ e^{x}e^{iy}- e^{-x}e^{iy}- e^{-x}e^{-iy}
for the first term and
e^xe^{iy}- e^xe^{-iy}+ e^{-x}e^{iy}- e^{-x}e^{-iy}
for the second term.
Now, observe what terms add and what terms cancel.
 

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