Can You Prove the Series Is Periodic?

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DaveE said:
Anyway, now I'm confused. Can you explain, regardless of how many values T can take (because it's value wasn't specified), why it isn't iff in either interpretation? Is it the "if" part you don't like, or the "only if" part?
If you define T as the smallest value, then if T is "the" period, we know f(x)=f(x+T) for all x, but if some value T satisfies f(x)=f(x+T) for all x, that doesn't imply T is "the" period but rather just "a" period. So it comes down to how one defines T. I've always seen it defined as the smallest value that satisfies f(x)=f(x+T) for all x, but apparently, not everyone defines it that way.
 
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vela said:
If you define T as the smallest value, then if T is "the" period, we know f(x)=f(x+T) for all x, but if some value T satisfies f(x)=f(x+T) for all x, that doesn't imply T is "the" period but rather just "a" period. So it comes down to how one defines T. I've always seen it defined as the smallest value that satisfies f(x)=f(x+T) for all x, but apparently, not everyone defines it that way.
In this case, can you prove that ##2\pi## is the fundamental period of the function in question? It's easy to see that it does not have period ##\pi##. But, it might be tricky to show that it can't be anything else less than ##2\pi##.
 
PeroK said:
In this case, can you prove that ##2\pi## is the fundamental period of the function in question? It's easy to see that it does not have period ##\pi##. But, it might be tricky to show that it can't be anything else less than ##2\pi##.
I'd offer the physicist's proof: Look at the graph. ;)
 
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PeroK said:
In this case, can you prove that ##2\pi## is the fundamental period of the function in question? It's easy to see that it does not have period ##\pi##. But, it might be tricky to show that it can't be anything else less than ##2\pi##.
I believe it's a theorem that either the fundamental period is ##2\pi/n## for some ##n##, or the function has arbitrarily small periods. The second one can't be true because the function is continuous and not constant (probably? Maybe this is a trick question haha). The first one doesn't feel impossible to manage but I agree isn't easy.

Edit to add: it is not constant, since ##f(0)=0## and ##f(\pi/2)=1##
 
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