Hypothetical Movement of Unidentified Aircraft

Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the hypothetical movement of unidentified aircraft, specifically referencing video images of "tic tac" aircraft taken by F-18 pilots. Participants explore the implications of such movement on our understanding of physics, while considering the validity of the evidence presented.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that if the video images accurately depict the aircraft's movement, it would necessitate a revolutionary understanding of physics, potentially involving a quantum field that decouples mass from applied force.
  • Another participant argues that the object may not be moving at all and could simply be debris on the sensor, emphasizing the limitations of infrared cameras in providing distance information.
  • A further contribution highlights the lack of sufficient information to make any scientifically legitimate claims about the sightings, comparing it to commenting on an unrelated event without context.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the interpretation of the video evidence and the implications for physics. There is no consensus on the nature of the aircraft or the validity of the claims made.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the speculative nature of the claims regarding the aircraft's movement and the absence of contextual information necessary for scientific analysis.

nytmr24
Messages
3
Reaction score
0
I know that the standard mantra of physicists who view themselves and their work as mainstream believe its never aliens. After all, as Carl Sagan reminded us, "extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof, " as it should rightly be. But, recently, some pretty extraordinary proof has made its way from the dark corners of DOD to public view. I am sure that anyone reading this thread has seen it.

My question to you, therefore: if you were to assume, hypothetically, that the video images of "tic tack" aircraft taken by the F-18 pilots accurately depict what actually happened, how could such an aircraft move the way it appears to? I realize that Newton's first law would appear to rule out such movement. But, if such movement can happen, how? We speculate on possible physical mechanisms for phenomenon we don't understand all the time. A quantum field that decouples mass from applied force? If these aircraft actually exist, as they appear to, a revolution in our understanding of physics is required.
 
Physics news on Phys.org
PF's Mission Statement:
Our mission is to provide a place for people (whether students, professional scientists, or others interested in science) to learn and discuss science as it is currently generally understood and practiced by the professional scientific community. As our name suggests, our main focus is on physics, but we also have forums for most other academic areas including engineering, chemistry, biology, social sciences, etc.

That does not include this kind of speculation, or reinventing fundamental physics.

Thread closed.
 
nytmr24 said:
My question to you, therefore: if you were to assume, hypothetically, that the video images of "tic tack" aircraft taken by the F-18 pilots accurately depict what actually happened, how could such an aircraft move the way it appears to?
[assuming we're looking at the same video] Given that the object doesn't appear to be moving at all for most of the video it is likely a piece of debris on the lens of the sensor.

You're letting your imagination run away from you (as the pilots evidently did). An IR camera does not provide distance information. What you see in it could be on the sensor or could be hundreds or millions of miles away and there's no way to know without other contextual information. Here's a good primer on the problems with such sightings:
https://www.inquirer.com/science/ufo-navy-unexplained-sightings-origin-life-20190601.html
This is not a topic for PF. Thread locked.
 
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: FactChecker and anorlunda
Even if a scientist wanted to reply, there is no information with which to say anything scientifically legitimate. You see the video and know as much as he would. It would be like if you were asked to comment on the cause of death of a particular average citizen in China, with no other information. Why would you even try? It would be deceptive to try.
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 21 ·
Replies
21
Views
2K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
9K
  • · Replies 94 ·
4
Replies
94
Views
27K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
10K
  • · Replies 49 ·
2
Replies
49
Views
8K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
6K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
4K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
12K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
4K