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The discussion revolves around finding the particular solution of a differential equation given by dx/dy = e^(x+y) with the initial condition x(1) = 0. Participants are exploring the implications of the equation's form and the initial condition on their attempts to solve it.

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  • Participants discuss the separation of variables and the interpretation of the differential equation. Some question whether the original equation was written correctly and explore the implications of the initial condition on their solutions.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing feedback on each other's interpretations and calculations. Some guidance has been offered regarding the correctness of the original equation and the satisfaction of the initial condition by various proposed solutions. Multiple interpretations of the equation are being explored.

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There is confusion regarding the correct interpretation of the equation and the initial condition, with participants noting discrepancies in their calculations and assumptions. The specific requirement of the initial condition x(1) = 0 is emphasized, which affects the validity of their proposed solutions.

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Homework Statement





Find the particular solution of the differential equation that satisfies the initial condition.

dx/dy = e^x+y x(1) = 0

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it does specifically state dx/dy not dy/dx


The Attempt at a Solution



dx/dy= e^x *e^y
1/e^x dx=e^y dy

integrate both sides
-e^-x =e^y +C
e^-x=-e^y+C
-x=ln(-e^y +c)
x=-ln (-e^y+c) but I can't take a ln of -e so how do I find c?

0=-ln(-e^1+c)
0=ln(C-e)
1=c-e Can I do this? Since 0 raised to any power is still zero, I am not sure about whether I can get rid of the Ln this way.
then c= 1+C
If so the particular solution would be
x(y)=-ln(-e^y+1+e)


 
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gingermom said:
Find the particular solution of the differential equation that satisfies the initial condition.

dx/dy = e^x+y
x(1) = 0

The Attempt at a Solution



dx/dy= e^x *e^y
This is different from your original PDE. Did you write it incorrectly?
 
strangerep said:
This is different from your original PDE. Did you write it incorrectly?
Looks like gingermom meant e^(x+y).

gingermom, does your solution satisfy the conditions set out in the question?
 
Yes it starts with e^(x+y) but is that not equal to e^x *e^y? that is what I used to separate the variables. If you mean does x(1) =0 fit the equation then yes. If you mean is the derivative of that equal to e^(x+y) - not meaning to be flip, but if I was 100 percent sure I wouldn't have asked the question.
 
Did you mean that I found the specific solution in terms of x(y) and the way the question is worded I need to go back and solve that for y(x)? I am not clear on what you are asking when you say does my solution satisfy the question?
 
gingermom said:
Yes it starts with e^(x+y) but is that not equal to e^x *e^y? that is what I used to separate the variables. If you mean does x(1) =0 fit the equation then yes. If you mean is the derivative of that equal to e^(x+y) - not meaning to be flip, but if I was 100 percent sure I wouldn't have asked the question.
What you originally wrote would normally be interpreted as [tex]dx/dy= e^x+ y[/tex].

But haruspex's question was related to "x(0)= 1".

With "x(y)=-ln(-e^y+1+e)" x(0)= -ln(-1+ 1 + e)= -ln(e)= -1, not 1.
 
Oh I see what you mean - sorry for the wrong input. I multiplied both sides by -1 to get
0=ln(e^1 +c)
0=ln1
ln1=ln (e^1 +c)
1=e^1 +c
c= 1-e^1 so I should not have multiplied by -1 because both sides are not in ln duh!
so it would be
0=- ln(e^1 +c)
0=ln1
ln1=-1 ln (e^1 +c) -r can I multiple
1=(e^1+c)^-1
c=e-1

so the particular solution would be
x(y) = -ln(-e^y+e-1)
 
HallsofIvy said:
But haruspex's question was related to "x(0)= 1".

With "x(y)=-ln(-e^y+1+e)" x(0)= -ln(-1+ 1 + e)= -ln(e)= -1, not 1.
No, the given condition is x(1) = 0, not x(0) = 1.
gingermom said:
so the particular solution would be
x(y) = -ln(-e^y+e-1)
But that does not satisfy x(1) = 0, whereas what you originally posted does!
The point of my question in post #3 is that your solution in the OP does satisfy all the given conditions and is therefore the right answer.
Your mistake in post #7 is here:
1=(e^1+c)^-1
c=e-1
 
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Well I guess I will know soon - since I turned in the corrected answer rather than my original post - guess that is what I guess for asking.
 
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Sorry for my comment - it is what I get for not paying more attention to the details - everyone's help is greatly appreciated
 

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