I heard that if you took a peice of the sun the size of a pinpoint

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The discussion revolves around the hypothetical scenario of a piece of the sun the size of a pinpoint and its potential effects on the surrounding environment. Participants explore the implications of such a scenario in terms of energy release, fusion processes, and physical properties of hydrogen under extreme conditions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the claim that a pinpoint-sized piece of the sun would burn everything in a 90-mile radius, suggesting it may not be accurate.
  • Another participant proposes that while a significant amount of hydrogen could be compressed to a pinpoint size, it is unlikely to produce a blast of that magnitude on Earth.
  • A participant suggests performing calculations based on the density and volume of hydrogen plasma to estimate the mass and temperature, noting the differences between the sun's core and its photosphere.
  • There is a suggestion that the scenario assumes the pinpoint would remain at the sun's core temperature of 15 million K while radiating energy, which may not be feasible.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the accuracy of the initial claim regarding the effects of a pinpoint-sized piece of the sun, with no consensus reached on the validity of the 90-mile radius assertion.

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Participants highlight the need for assumptions regarding temperature and density, as well as the complexities of fusion processes, which remain unresolved in the discussion.

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that it would burn everying in a 90 mile radius, or something like that, is this correct? Would this be the same as if the equivelant amount of hydrogen atoms fused all at once together?
 
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It doesn't sound right, where did you hear this?

You could have quite a bit of hydrogen in the size of a pin point if you compressed and cooled it, but I still don't think you would have enough to create a blast with a 90 mile radius on earth.
 
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that it would burn everying in a 90 mile radius, or something like that, is this correct? Would this be the same as if the equivelant amount of hydrogen atoms fused all at once together?
That doesn't sound right.

One can do a simple calculation based on a hydrogen plasma with the density of water, about 1 g/cm3, which is a little less than the average density. Multiply the density by the volume of a pin point to get the mass, and figure some appropriate temperature.

The sun is based on the pp-chain, and p-p fusion is very slow, say compared to d-d fusion, and that's why the sun has been around for a long time.

Bear in mind that the core of the sun is on the order of 15 million K, and its density if about 150 times that of water. In contrast, the photosphere has a temperature of about 5800 K and a density on the order of 1E-7 of water (at room temp).
 
I believe this figure results if you assume that the pinpoint (I suppose the head of a pin was meant) will magically stay at 15 million K, even when radiating such an enormous amount of energy.
 

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