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The discussion revolves around the properties of odd functions and their integrals, specifically examining the statement that if \( f(x) \) is an odd function, then \( \int_{-a}^{a} f(x) dx = 0 \). Participants are exploring the implications of this statement and the conditions under which it holds true.

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  • Participants discuss the validity of the statement regarding odd functions and integrals, with some attempting to provide proofs or counterexamples. Questions arise about the continuity of the function and the implications of discontinuities on the integral's value.

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The conversation is ongoing, with participants questioning the assumptions made about the function's continuity. Some have offered insights into the nature of the proof presented, noting that certain conclusions drawn may not effectively support the original statement.

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There is uncertainty regarding whether the function \( f(x) \) was specified to be continuous, which affects the validity of the integral's evaluation. Participants express concern over the implications of this missing information on their understanding of the problem.

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Homework Statement



I will try to word it the best I can...

True or False? If True explain why. If False, provide a counterexample to explain why it is wrong, DO NOT CORRECT THE STATEMENT

Suppose f(x) is an odd function and then \int_{-a}^{a} f(x) dx = 0





The Attempt at a Solution



This is true, I wrote down, but my proof was wrong...I think. I checked the textbook and they did it differently. My textbook splited the integral from -a to 0 and 0 to a and did a substitution.

Here is how I did it

Let f(x) be odd

f(-x) = -f(x)

\int_{-a}^{a} f(-x) dx = \int_{-a}^{a} -f(x) dx

By the Fundamental Theorem of Calculus

F(-a) - F(+a) = -\left [ F(a)- F(-a)) \right ]

F(-a) - F(+a) = -F(a) + F(-a))

F(-a) - F(+a) = F(-a) - F(a)

0 = 0

Did I "prove" anything...?
 
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Assuming that the statement you were to explain (it didn't say to prove) or find a counterexample for was
If f(x) is odd, then
\int_{-a}^a f(x) dx = 0

Consider f(x) = 1/x and the interval [-1, 1].

f is an odd function, but is \int_{-1}^1 \frac{dx}{x} = 0 \text{?}
 
The integral diverges...

Perhaps the word "continuous" was thrown in there and I forgot to add it to this question.

Mark, I don't think even the TA would've realized it lol. The TAs at my university are all pretty dumb, except for one guy, but he's a grad student
 
flyingpig said:
The integral diverges...

Perhaps the word "continuous" was thrown in there and I forgot to add it to this question.

Mark, I don't think even the TA would've realized it lol. The TAs at my university are all pretty dumb, except for one guy, but he's a grad student

What do mean by diverges? And based on what Mark proposed, then the statement would be false, right?
 
romsofia said:
What do mean by diverges? And based on what Mark proposed, then the statement would be false, right?

Only if it is discontinuous. I think the function f(x) was said to be continuous, which is something I forgot to put down...

That or it never had the word "continuous". Either way, I am wrong lol. There goes my 100%...
 
A lot hinges on whether the function was given to be continuous. If there was nothing stated, you can't assume that it is continuous.

Also, with regard your proof, concluding that 0 = 0 (or any other statement that is always true - a tautology) is not what you want to do.
 
flyingpig said:

Homework Statement



I will try to word it the best I can...

True or False? If True explain why. If False, provide a counterexample to explain why it is wrong, DO NOT CORRECT THE STATEMENT

Suppose f(x) is an odd function and then \int_{-a}^{a} f(x) dx = 0

The Attempt at a Solution



This is true, I wrote down, but my proof was wrong...I think. I checked the textbook and they did it differently. My textbook splited the integral from -a to 0 and 0 to a and did a substitution.

Here is how I did it

Let f(x) be odd

f(-x) = -f(x)

\int_{-a}^{a} f(-x) dx = \int_{-a}^{a} -f(x) dx

By the Fundamental Theorem of Calculus

F(-a) - F(+a) = -\left [ F(a)- F(-a)) \right ]

F(-a) - F(+a) = -F(a) + F(-a))

F(-a) - F(+a) = F(-a) - F(a)

0 = 0

Did I "prove" anything...?

Yes. You proved that if f is odd, then 0 = 0.:rolleyes:
 
LCKurtz said:
Yes. You proved that if f is odd, then 0 = 0.:rolleyes:
flyingpig could just as well have proved that if 1 = 2, then 0 = 0, which is another true statement.
 
Our professor promised a few students (I, included) that if we score extremely well (I am guessing he hinted 100%, because the few students who were "nominated" were getting like 99.x% lol), he will just give the free 1%.

There goes my chance...

At least it's over 90%...
 

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