I love Octonions as well as alternative propulsion ideas

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around alternative propulsion ideas, particularly focusing on the classification of various propulsion methods such as ionic thrusters and pulsed microwave thrusters. Participants explore the boundaries of acceptable topics within the forum's guidelines and the distinction between mainstream and fringe concepts in propulsion technology.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express enthusiasm for alternative propulsion, noting the prevalence of unscientific claims in the field.
  • There is a concern regarding the classification of certain propulsion methods, such as whether ionic thrusters and pulsed microwave thrusters fall under the forum's forbidden topics.
  • One participant suggests that if information were readily available in published literature, there would be no need to seek help on forums.
  • Another participant clarifies that ion propulsion is considered mainstream, while the status of pulsed microwave thrusters is uncertain, particularly in relation to the EM Drive, which is deemed reactionless and therefore banned.
  • Participants discuss the importance of adhering to forum guidelines and the expectation that discussions should be based on established scientific literature.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the classification of pulsed microwave thrusters, and there is a general acknowledgment of differing levels of understanding regarding mainstream propulsion technologies.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the definitions of propulsion methods and the criteria for what constitutes mainstream literature versus fringe ideas. The discussion reflects varying degrees of familiarity with the forum's rules and the current state of propulsion technology.

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Hi folks! Title sums it up pretty well. Alternative propulsion is cool, despite the amount of woo that tends to permeate the topic. I enjoy finding first-principles solutions for far-out claims.
 
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JarodY said:
How did you find PF?: Google

Hi folks! Title sums it up pretty well. Alternative propulsion is cool, despite the amount of woo that tends to permeate the topic. I enjoy finding first-principles solutions for far-out claims.
Welcome to PF, Jarod. :smile:

Be sure to read the PF rules that you agreed to (see INFO at the top of the page). Reactionless Drives and similar are on the forbidden topics list. Be sure that any topics you want to discuss here are published in the mainstream literature, and please always include links to your reading when asking technical questions. Thank you, and enjoy PF! :smile:
 
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berkeman said:
Welcome to PF, Jarod. :smile:

Be sure to read the PF rules that you agreed to (see INFO at the top of the page). Reactionless Drives and similar are on the forbidden topics list. Be sure that any topics you want to discuss here are published in the mainstream literature, and please always include links to your reading when asking technical questions. Thank you, and enjoy PF! :smile:
Do ionic thrusters or pulsed microwave thrusters fall under the 'similar' category? Also, if what I was looking for was in the published literature, I wouldn't need to resort to asking for help on forums, right?
 
JarodY said:
Do ionic thrusters or pulsed microwave thrusters fall under the 'similar' category?
Ion propulsion is being done. It's solidly mainstream. Pulsed microwave...not sure. If you mean EM Drive, then yes, that's reactionless and banned.
Also, if what I was looking for was in the published literature, I wouldn't need to resort to asking for help on forums, right?
The vast majority of the population doesn't know/understand the current state of the art. That's predominantly who this forum is for. It is not here for original research publication. That's what journals are for.

I do suggest that if you haven't really read the guidelines you should do so. They're pretty clear.
 
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JarodY said:
pulsed microwave thrusters fall under the 'similar' category?
I don't know. Is that like "laser propulsion"? (which is fine) Can you post a link?

JarodY said:
also, if what I was looking for was in the published literature, I wouldn't need to resort to asking for help on forums, right?
It depends on how comfortable and practiced you are at finding reliable technical links. We have some tips in the PF Rules for where to look for reliable peer-reviewed articles (like T/R), and of course we are happy to help you find good links. We are all about helping folks learn mainstream science.

I'll move this thread from the New Member Introduction forum to an Engineering forum for now. :smile:
 

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