I need some serious help, really basic physics

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The original poster is attempting to design an apparatus to launch a marble a horizontal distance of 1.5-1.6 meters. The problem involves calculating the force needed to achieve this distance, considering the mass of the marble and the mechanics of a swinging hammer that strikes it. Participants are discussing the forces acting on the marble and the factors influencing its motion.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are exploring the forces that affect the marble's motion, including gravity and friction. Questions arise regarding the impact of the surface material on the marble's movement and the calculation of the required force for the desired distance.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with various interpretations of the problem being explored. Some participants suggest considering the surface type and its effect on friction, while others propose using trial and error with the existing setup. There is no explicit consensus on the approach to take.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the marble's motion involves projectile dynamics, and there is a misunderstanding about whether the marble is meant to roll or fly to the target distance. The original poster is focused on the distance before the marble hits the ground, which influences the calculations being discussed.

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I am trying to design an apparatus which will hit a marble a horizontal distance of from 1.5-1.6m every time. I have to calculate the force I need to hit the marble, but I can't seem to find an equation which works. If it helps any, the mass of the marble is 3.56g and I'm using a hammer which is held up on a swivel which swings down and strikes the marble. As well I have to calculate the average horizontal velocity. I am just not sure where to begin and what to do.
 
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kylelomba8 said:
I am trying to design an apparatus which will hit a marble a horizontal distance of from 1.5-1.6m every time. I have to calculate the force I need to hit the marble, but I can't seem to find an equation which works. If it helps any, the mass of the marble is 3.56g and I'm using a hammer which is held up on a swivel which swings down and strikes the marble. As well I have to calculate the average horizontal velocity. I am just not sure where to begin and what to do.

What forces slow down the marble? That would seem to be a key part of this project, eh?
 
the only force that slows down the marble is gravity, but I cannot figure out how to calculate the force required to make the marble go that distance
 
kylelomba8 said:
the only force that slows down the marble is gravity, but I cannot figure out how to calculate the force required to make the marble go that distance

No, gravity does not directly slow down a rolling marble. What is the surface that you need to use for this project? There will not be much rolling resistance if the surface is hard and smooth...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolling_resistance

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I have actually made it with a golf tee and there doesn't seem to be too much in terms of friction to move the marble
 
kylelomba8 said:
I have actually made it with a golf tee and there doesn't seem to be too much in terms of friction to move the marble

When I asked what surface, I meant what kind of flooring material is it? Concrete, linoleum, wood, carpet, etc.? Since the ball is rolling, friction will likely play a small roll in slowing it down. It will affect how it reacts to the hammer tap and spin-up in the beginning, though.
 
Yeah I know what you mean, but when i am calculating it, I am looking for the distance it will go before hitting the floor. So it then doesn't really matter what the surface is.
 
kylelomba8 said:
Yeah I know what you mean, but when i am calculating it, I am looking for the distance it will go before hitting the floor. So it then doesn't really matter what the surface is.

Oohhh! My bad, I misunderstood your original post (OP). I thought the marble was supposed to roll that distance, but now I understand that it needs to fly that distance and hit its first bounce at that distance. Ah.

You calculate the motion using the initial velocity and takeoff angle, just like for any kinematics problem involving projectile motion and gravity. You should be able to calculate the initial velocity from the striking velocity of the hammer and the hammer and ball masses, since it is an elastic collision...
 
If you already have the swinging hammer set up trial and error looks like a good solution.
 

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