I to calculate forces on steel rope

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around calculating the forces on a rigging bridal when a weight is suspended between two roof beams using steel wire ropes. Participants explore methods for determining the internal angles and how variations in the length of the ropes affect the forces on the beams.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant, Davy, seeks a method to calculate the forces on the beams based on the internal angles of the steel ropes, which may change with the length of the ropes.
  • Another participant suggests using a free-body diagram to resolve the components of forces and derive equations relating weight, mass, and internal angles, noting that internal angles can vary from 0 to 90 degrees.
  • The same participant mentions that smaller angles result in smaller forces in the steel ropes and on the beam.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

The discussion includes multiple viewpoints on how to approach the problem, with no consensus reached on a single method or solution.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference basic principles of statics and the importance of free-body diagrams, but the discussion does not resolve specific mathematical steps or assumptions regarding the setup.

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i would like to find out the method to calculate loads on a rigging bridal,
the situation, a weight needs to be hung at a point between two roof beams,
so it is hung on two steel wire ropes from the beams of an suitable length to achieve the correct position, from this i would have all the information to calculate the internal angles but would like to know how to calculate the forces on the beams, should the length of the steel ropes increase or decrease thus changing the internal angles and how does this effect the forces?
regards
davy
 
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docdavy said:
i would like to find out the method to calculate loads on a rigging bridal,
the situation, a weight needs to be hung at a point between two roof beams,
so it is hung on two steel wire ropes from the beams of an suitable length to achieve the correct position, from this i would have all the information to calculate the internal angles but would like to know how to calculate the forces on the beams, should the length of the steel ropes increase or decrease thus changing the internal angles and how does this effect the forces?
regards
davy

The very basic Statics(for such problem-solving) approach is to draw the whole thing into a free-body diagram system. and resolve for each component of forces.and you can derive a set of equations that relate the weight by mass, and the internal angle(as you speak)..in this case, internal angle can only vary from 0 to 90 degrees. Hence, the cosine term values also differ. The smaller the angle, the smaller the force in the steel ropes and on the beam.
 

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