I want a level sensor for a tank

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around selecting an appropriate level sensor for an industrial tank used in the paper industry, specifically for monitoring pulp levels. Participants explore various sensor types, their reliability, and manufacturer recommendations without reaching a consensus on the best solution.

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  • Experimental/applied

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests a level switch based on the thermal dispersion principle as a suitable option.
  • Another shares an experience of using a simple sensor design with three different lengths of bars, which activates a pump based on immersion levels.
  • A participant notes that the previously mentioned bar sensors are conductive and may not be suitable for non-conductive mediums like pulp.
  • Radar level sensors are recommended by one participant for their versatility and reliability, with a specific mention of a manufacturer, Krohne.
  • A float type sensor is proposed as a simple and cost-effective solution by multiple participants, with one emphasizing its reliability and ease of servicing.
  • Concerns are raised about the suitability of float type sensors in pulp applications due to potential clogging and accumulation issues.
  • Alternative methods such as radar or nuclear sensors, or using a strain gauge to measure tank weight, are suggested for more challenging environments.
  • One participant defends the reliability of pill switches in harsh conditions, citing their long-term use in sewage applications.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing opinions on the best type of sensor for the application, with no clear consensus on a single solution. Some advocate for float type sensors while others raise concerns about their effectiveness in pulp applications.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight various assumptions regarding the conductivity of pulp and the operational environment of the sensors, which may affect their recommendations. The discussion does not resolve the suitability of different sensor types for the specific application.

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hey guys,i want a level sensor for a tank, a big industrial one, contains pulp for paper industry, i don't want a continuous data stream, just if it's under a certain level, turns on a pump, and if its over another certain level, turns it off, tell me the type of sensor, and the best manufacturer i could by from, thanks a lot.
 
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A level switch based on the thermal dispersion principle should work.
 
We used to make our own in the food industry, all a sensor was, was 3 different lengths of round bar pressed into a plastic housing.

When just the longest and second longest bar was immersed it turned a pump on, when all the bars were immersed it turned the pump off

We found this idea far better than complex sensors that could be easily damaged.
 
I believe the sensors wolram described above are conductive sensors used where the substance whose level is being sensed is a conductive medium. However, there are other types you can check out, assuming your medium is non-conductive cos i think pulp is non-conductive. Visit the link below and see what u can make of it.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Level_sensor
 
we have very satisfying experience with radar level sensors. works on everything.
go have a look at krohne. pay $4000 and forget about all the installation, fitting cost and emptying andd refilling of alternatives.

jerry
 
Float type would probably be the simplest and the cheapest one that you could get..
 
I agree with chetanladha. A float type "pill" switch would be the most reliable and the easiest to service. The pill switches come in a variety of voltages and can be wired to control voltage of the pump contactor.
 
I was having a hard time imagining any float type that would work well in that type of service, but certainly not a simple pill style. A pill style float would require a pretty clean service, which I don't imagine pulp to be (maybe that's my poor assumption).

I'm imagining the pulp to be problematic both in clogging up nozzles and accumulating on floats/contacts. To me that means read the level from above where the pulp can't affect it with radar or nuclear (not sure if nuclear would be applicable) or read it from the weight of the tank with a strain gauge (if the density is consistent).

I don't know that the OP is ever going to return though.
 
We use pill switches in submerged septic and sewage applications everyday. I have them in sewage pump tanks that have been operating for 20 yrs with no failures. These are sealed contact pills. The ones that I use are made by a company called SJE.

I have worked in pulp and paper, sewage and septic is as harsh.
 

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