I want to understand how to use the general equation [f(x) - f(x+h)]/h

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The discussion revolves around understanding the application of the calculus-based equation [f(x+h) - f(x)]/h, particularly in the context of physics problems. Participants explore techniques for simplifying and solving such expressions as h approaches 0, with a focus on algebraic manipulation and the implications of different functions.

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  • One participant expresses difficulty in simplifying the expression [f(x+h) - f(x)]/h and seeks help with a specific example involving f(x) = x² + 1/x.
  • Another participant provides a detailed breakdown of how to compute f(x+h) and the subsequent simplification, arriving at a formula for the derivative as h approaches 0.
  • A participant asks for general techniques or tips for solving similar problems in the future, indicating a desire for broader understanding beyond the specific example.
  • One response suggests that while every physics problem may seem different, the same general technique can be applied to many similar problems.
  • Another participant challenges the notion that every problem is unique, implying that there are common methods that can be utilized across different problems.
  • A later reply emphasizes the importance of algebraic manipulation and suggests excluding cases where h is literally zero to understand the behavior of the function as h approaches zero.

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Participants exhibit some disagreement regarding the uniqueness of physics problems, with differing views on whether the same techniques can be applied broadly. There is no consensus on a singular approach to solving all problems, and the discussion remains open-ended.

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Participants express uncertainty about the applicability of techniques across different problems and the implications of excluding the case where h is zero. The discussion highlights the need for clarity on definitions and assumptions in calculus-based problems.

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I am in a 12th grade Physics class and in the beginning of the year, we learned the calculus based equation: [f(x+h) - f(x)]/h. I understand that I am trying to simplify/solve for the answer when H goes to 0 (h -> 0), and I understand that I must substitute f(x) into the given fields f(x) and f(x+h). However, I can never manage to completely simplify the problem.

Here is a sample problem we were given in Physics class earlier this year:

f(x) = x2+1/x

Solve for: [f(x+h) - f(x)]/h


Can someone please help me understand how to do these sort of problems? Is there any kind of technique that can help me solve them? I need to know ASAP, as I am struggling in class.
 
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Well, f(x+h) then replaces "x" in the general formula woth "x+h" at all instances:
f(x+h)=(x+h)^{2}+\frac{1}{x+h}
The difference is then:
f(x+h)-f(x)=x^{2}+2xh+h^{2}+\frac{1}{x+h}-(x^{2}+\frac{1}{x})=2xh+h^{2}+\frac{x}{x(x+h)}-\frac{(x+h)}{x(x+h}}=h*(2x+h-\frac{1}{x^{2}+xh})
Whereby dividing by "h" yields, for every non-zero "h":
\frac{f(x+h)-f(x)}{h}=2x+h-\frac{1}{x^{2}+xh}

As h tends to 0, we will get:
f'(x)=2x-\frac{1}{x^{2}}
 
arildno,

Thank you for helping me solve the problem. While I understand how you arrived at the answer, as you probably know, every physics problem is different. Is there any technique I can use, or any tip you can provide me when solving future problems and more complex problems using the same formula? Any advice you can give would be much appreciated.
 
1. "every physics problem is different. "
Not so.

For example, now you should know how to calculate the difference expression for ANY function f.

Try a few more here on PF, and we will help you if you get stuck in the middle.

Now is the time to hone your skills on THESE types of problems. :smile:
 
So every problem isn't different? Oh. We were taught in Physics class that every problem is.

Thanks so much for your help. I will take your advice and check out other problems on the forum. :smile:
 
It depends on what you mean by "different".

The same general technique can be used to solve a lot of similar problems.
 
esanoussi said:
So every problem isn't different? Oh. We were taught in Physics class that every problem is.

Thanks so much for your help. I will take your advice and check out other problems on the forum. :smile:
this is a general method in itself, the idea is to algebraically manipulate the equation until you can get something that isn't a division by zero

think of "excluding" the case where h is "literally" zero, since you want to consider the behaviour of the function as h APPROACHES zero. So, if you see something that doesn't work because "it might be zero", then ignore that it might be zero and do it anyway
 

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