I want to understand intuitively why LCM(a,b)=ab/GCF(a,b)

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The discussion focuses on understanding the relationship between the lowest common multiple (LCM) and the greatest common factor (GCF) of two integers, specifically exploring the formula LCM(a,b) = (a*b)/GCF(a,b). Participants seek intuitive explanations and examples to clarify why this relationship holds, with some expressing difficulty in grasping the concept without relying on prime factorization.

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  • Some participants propose focusing on individual prime factors to understand the LCM and GCF better.
  • Specific examples, such as using a = 84 and b = 96, are presented to illustrate the relationship between LCM, GCF, and the product of the numbers.
  • One participant expresses confusion about how to derive the LCM from prime factors, asking for clarification on the process.
  • Another participant suggests that LCM and GCF can be understood in terms of set theory, where LCM represents the union of prime factors and GCF represents the intersection.
  • Concerns are raised about the validity of the formula LCM(a,b) × GCF(a,b) = a × b, with some participants unsure why this holds true, especially for integers with common factors.
  • Several participants attempt to explain the relationship using prime factorization, while others seek simpler explanations that avoid this method.
  • One participant mentions that memorization of the formula is insufficient without understanding the underlying principles.
  • Another participant acknowledges understanding the formula for relatively prime integers but struggles with cases involving common factors.

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Participants express a mix of understanding and confusion regarding the relationship between LCM, GCF, and the product of integers. While some explanations resonate with certain participants, others remain unconvinced or seek alternative perspectives. No consensus is reached on a single intuitive explanation that satisfies all participants.

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Some participants emphasize the importance of prime factorization in understanding the relationship, while others seek explanations that do not rely on this method. The discussion reflects varying levels of comfort with mathematical reasoning and the definitions of LCM and GCF.

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I want an intuitive understanding of why the lowest common multiple of two numbers is equal to the two numbers multiplied together, divided by the greatest common factor of the two numbers, i.e.,

LCM(a,b)=(a*b)/GCF(a,b)

I wish to know how this formula gives us the LCM of the two numbers.
 
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Focus on individual primes.
 
Consider a specific example (this is a good way to look at the "why" of a formula like this; once you see the workings in a particular case, you get a feel for the general case).

I'll use a = 84, b = 96. The prime factorizations of these are

<br /> \begin{align*}<br /> a &amp; = 2^2 \cdot 3\cdot 7 \\<br /> b &amp; = 2^5 \cdot 3<br /> \end{align*} <br />

It's easy to see that the LCM of these numbers is 2^5 \cdot 3 \cdot 7 and, further, that the GCF is 2^2 \cdot 3. Now

<br /> LCM(a,b) \times GCF(a,b) = \big(2^5 \cdot 3 \cdot 7\big) \times \big(2^2 \cdot 3\big) = \big(2^2 \cdot 3 \cdot 7\big) \times \big(2^5 \cdot 3\big) = a \times b<br />

or, to summarize

<br /> LCM(84,96) \times GCF(84,96) = 84 \times 96 \Rightarrow LCM(84,96) = \frac{84 \times 96}{GCF(84,96)}<br />

which gives your formula for this pair. If you are careful with your notation when you look
at prime factorizations for arbitrary choices, the same thing happens.
 
statdad said:
I'll use a = 84, b = 96. The prime factorizations of these are

<br /> \begin{align*}<br /> a &amp; = 2^2 \cdot 3\cdot 7 \\<br /> b &amp; = 2^5 \cdot 3<br /> \end{align*} <br />

It's easy to see that the LCM of these numbers is 2^5 \cdot 3 \cdot 7 and, further, that the GCF is 2^2 \cdot 3.

Somehow it is not easy for me to see why the LCM of the two numbers is 2^5 \cdot 3 \cdot 7.

Can you please tell me how you can tell the LCM from the prime factors of the numbers?

Sorry for asking silly questions.
 
I really don't understand why LCM(a,b) \times GCF(a,b) = a \times b. I know it has to do with the definition of LCM and GCF, and I understand what an LCM and GCF is, but somehow I can't see why their product should be equal to the product of the numbers they are the LCM and GCF of.
 
As people have said before consider primes and prime factorizations. For instance for a prime p and integers c,d what is \text{lcm}(p^c,p^d) and \gcd(p^c,p^d). Can you generalize the formula to prime factorizations? (statdad's example should give you a hint that the answer is yes, and what it looks like).
 
Here is an example from me:

Consider numbers 12 and 18.

Multiples of 12 are: 12, 24, 36, 48...
Multiples of 18 are: 18, 36, 54...

Clearly, the least common multiple is 36.

The factors of 12 are: 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 12
The factors of 18 are: 1, 2, 3, 6, 9, 18

Clearly, the greatest common factor is 6.

What I want to ask is why LCM(12,18) \times GCF(12,18) = 36 \times 6 = 12 \times 18
 
Juwane said:
Somehow it is not easy for me to see why the LCM of the two numbers is 2^5 \cdot 3 \cdot 7.

Can you please tell me how you can tell the LCM from the prime factors of the numbers?

Sorry for asking silly questions.

To get the LCM

* Write down each prime factor to the HIGHEST power it has in either factorization

To get the GCF

* Write down each prime factor to the LOWEST power it has in either factorization
 
  • #10
in your example you have completely ignored prime factorization.

suppose we write a number as a list of exponents n=(e1,e2,e3,...) where only finitely many ei's are non-zero, and so that e1 is the exponent of 2, e2 is the exponent of 3, and en is the exponent of the nth prime.

in your example 12 = 2^2*3^1= (2,1,0,0,...) and 18 = 2^1*3^2= (1,2,0,0,...)

Now, to find the lcm we compare each position and choose the larger (or equal) exponent.
lcm(12,18) = (2,2,0,0,...) = 36
Similarly, to find the gcd we compare each position and choose the smaller (or equal) exponent.
gcd(12,18) = (1,1,0,0,...)= 6
Now 12*18 = (2,1,0,0,...)*(1,2,0,0,...)=(2+1,1+2,0,0,...)
When we multiply the lcm*gcd, we are still going to add the same exponents at the same position, the only difference could possibly be the order which they are added depending on which is larger. Since addition of integers is commutative, this does not matter.

Another example for clarification:

28 = 2^2*7^1 (2,0,0,1,0,0,...)
20 = 2^2*5^1 (2,0,1,0,0,...)
lcm(28,20) = (2,0,1,1,0,0,...)
gcd(28,20) = (2,0,0,0,...)
So each exponent from all primes in both numbers have been accounted for exactly once so the product lcm*gcd is the same as 28*20.
 
  • #11
Matticus, thank you for your explanation, but I'm looking for an easier explanation, one without prime factorization if possible.

I think LCM and GCF are exact opposites of each other--

smallest common multiple
greatest common factor

--except that they both have to do with commonness. If this is true, then I want to understand in the light of this fact.
 
  • #12
I'm not sure if this explanation is easier, but it doesn't use prime factorization which you want to avoid for some reason.

If a' and b' are relatively prime then GCF(a',b') = 1 and LCM(a',b') = a'b'. To see the latter just note that otherwise LCM(a',b') = a'b'/k for some integer k, but then k is a common factor of a' and b'.
Also GCF(a'g,b'g)=g * GCF(a',b') and LCM(a'g,b'g) = g * LCM(a',b').

Now let g=GCF(a,b), then we can write a and b as:
a = a'g
b = b'g
for relatively prime integers a', b'. Then we have:

GCF(a,b)LCM(a,b) = GCF(a'g,b'g)LCM(a'g,b'g) = g^2 GCF(a',b')LCM(a',b') = a'b'g^2 = ab
 
  • #13
I guess I'll just memorize that LCM(a,b) \times GCF(a,b) = a \times b
 
  • #14
Memorization of formulae won't get you far. You've had several very good explanations about why this relationship holds - and I submitted an explanation as well. Understanding the reasons things work as they do is entirely different than memorizing results, and without understanding you run the risk of applying results when they shouldn't be.

In short, sometimes 'understanding' requires some work on your part.
 
  • #15
Reading rasmhop's explanation, I now understand why LCM(a,b) \times GCF(a,b) = a \times b is true for relatively prime integers, but I still don't understand why it is true for integers with common factors and/or common multiples.
 

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