I would like to know the calculation process of this power spectrum

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The discussion revolves around the derivation of the power spectrum formula from the Discrete Fourier Transform, specifically focusing on the calculation process to derive Eq(6.3) from a referenced paper. Participants explore mathematical techniques and expressions involved in the derivation.

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  • One participant requests assistance in deriving Eq(6.3) and provides relevant equations and parameters.
  • Another participant emphasizes the need for the original poster to show their work to receive help.
  • A participant suggests using the relationship between cosine and exponential functions to simplify the summation involved in the derivation.
  • Further discussion includes the complexity of the derivation and the potential need for a large workspace to manage the calculations.
  • One participant expresses frustration with the messiness of the calculations but indicates a willingness to try again.
  • Another participant notes the importance of transforming cosine terms into exponential forms to facilitate the application of earlier equations.
  • One participant proposes testing specific values (e.g., N=3) to verify the correctness of Eq(6.3).
  • Participants share light-hearted comments about the challenges of mathematical derivations and tools that might aid in the process.

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Participants generally agree on the complexity of the derivation process and the need for specific mathematical transformations, but there is no consensus on the correctness of Eq(6.3) or the best approach to derive it.

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Participants express uncertainty regarding the application of certain equations and the transformation of terms, indicating that the derivation may depend on specific assumptions or definitions not fully explored in the discussion.

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Derive the formula of power spectrum from Discrete Fourier Transform.
Summary: Derive the formula of power spectrum from Discrete Fourier Transform.

Hi all
I don't know where should I post this, so if I am wrong, I apologize.(But this is almost math problem so )

I would like to know the calculation process when derive Eq(6.3) in this paper.

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Eq 2.4a is ##a_{j}=\sum_{k=0}^{N-1} x_{k} e^{2 \pi i j k / N} \quad j=-\frac{N}{2}, \ldots, \frac{N}{2}-1## and ##t_k={kT/N}##, ##ω_{sine}=2πν_{sine}##

I think these are the all tool to derive Eq.(6.3). But I don't have much calculation power to derive. (I spent two weeks for this.)
This will be a tough calculation process but if you can do this(and I know PF's teachers can do this :D), PLEASE HELP ME!

Thank you.
 
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Sadly, we can’t help you at all unless you show us your work in attempting to solve this.
 
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Thank you for replying, @jedishrfu!
ok, at first. I should calculate ##a_{j}=\sum_{k=0}^{n-1} A \cos \left(\omega_{sin} \frac{k T}{N}+\phi\right) e^{2 \pi i k / N}##.
I think I will use Eq(6.2),but I don't know how. I am already stuck here😭
 
First, I have no idea how to solve this. However, looking at the summation I see the e function and the ##x_k## factors.

the x’s are defined in terms of cos() so have you tried representing the cos() in terms of the e function. Doing that might allow you to split the summation into two summations both of which could use the hint they provided at 6.2.

https://webhome.phy.duke.edu/~rgb/Class/phy51/phy51/node15.html
 
thank you @jedishrfu!
I have already tried before, and become so messy.
but I will try again!
 
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Calling @fresh_42 do you have any thoughts to help here?

The derivation looks quite daunting aka messy.
 
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arcTomato said:
I have already tried before, and become so messy.
I guess you can't avoid this. It looks as if a big, big blackboard would be helpful.

2.4. gives the structure ##a_j=\sum_k x_k e^{f(k)}##.
6.1. resolves the ##x_k##.
To apply 6.2. we need to put every non constant coefficient into a power of ##e##, which requires ##\cos g= \frac{1}{2}\left(e^{ig}+e^{-ig}\right)## where ##g=g(t_k,\phi,\omega)##.
Now we have two sums and the form which is necessary to apply 6.2 and should be done, i.e. have only some algebra to do to finish it.

Finally we have 6.3. which has again a cosine term, which is a bit disturbing. I do not see how it could be saved without resolving the cosine into powers of ##e##. I don't even see, whether 6.3. is true at all.

I would start and calculate some examples with e.g. N=3 and multiples of ##\pi## for the angles to see whether I can get 6.3. at all.
 
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fresh_42 said:
I guess you can't avoid this. It looks as if a big, big blackboard would be helpful.

Thanks for your helping guys! @jedishrfu ,@fresh_42
Finally, I finished it!
I have used 3 A4 papers 😂
 
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You know in addition to a big blackboard youd also need hagoromo chalk. Mathematicians claim you can't make a mistake when using it.

Glad you figured it out.
 
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