Ice added to water at 273K, calculate new ice mass

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The discussion revolves around a thermodynamics problem involving the addition of ice at 263K to water at 273K. Participants explore how to calculate the new mass of the ice and the implications of temperature and phase changes in this context.

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  • The original poster attempts to understand how to apply heat transfer concepts when the water is at the freezing point. They question the applicability of the heat equations and explore the idea of calculating the mass of water that would need to freeze to heat the ice. Other participants suggest looking into latent heat and clarify its relevance to phase changes.

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Participants have provided guidance on the use of latent heat and clarified that the principles discussed can apply in both directions of phase change. The original poster expresses some understanding but continues to seek confirmation on their reasoning regarding the scenario where both substances are at the same temperature.

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There is a mention of specific formulas for phase changes in the context of the original poster's coursework, indicating potential differences in terminology or application compared to general discussions on latent heat.

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Hi! I'm new here and I can't find anything helpful through google so I thought I'd give PF a try. Sorry for not using the template fully but I have no ideas on how to solve this problem.

1. 0.1kg ice at 263K is added to 1kg water at 273K. Calculate new mass of the ice.

2. I know how to do this calculation if the water temperature is higher than 273K, but then I got this problem where the water is already at 273K (0°C) therefore no change in temperature so I can't use Q=c⋅m⋅ΔT or at least I can't get my brain around how. Is there an "opposite direction" enthalpy formula? As I have understood it this situation will actually increase the mass of the ice since energy will be released when the ice is heated to 273K.


3. Can I do this the other way around i.e. calculate how much water needs to turn to ice to heat the ice to 273K?

ΔQ=cice⋅mice⋅ΔT = 2.2kJ/(kg⋅K)⋅0.1kg⋅10K = 2.2kJ
Then
2.2kJ = m⋅Lwater
m = 2.2/332 ≈ 6.6⋅10-3kg


mice total = mice 0+mice 2 = 0.1+6.6⋅10-3 = 0.1066kg

Thanks!
 
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DrClaude said:
Look up latent heat.
thank you, I'm uncertain if this is the same we have been thought about enthalpy because in our tables we have these specific formulas for phase changes with lower case l. Like ΔQ=lmm and ΔQ=lvm (m=melt, v=vaporize).

I've made an attempt at a solution in my OP, can I use this method for any phase change regardless of "direction"?
 
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mertzi said:
I've made an attempt at a solution in my OP,
I would advise against editing the OP. Things are easier to follow if the development can be seen in the replies.

mertzi said:
can I use this method for any phase change regardless of "direction"?
Yes. For example, the heat of "melting" can be used both for melting and for solidification.
 
Thank you

Here is my first attempt on a solution, I suspect something is missing.

ΔQ=cice⋅mice⋅ΔT = 2.2kJ/(kg⋅K)⋅0.1kg⋅10K = 2.2kJ
Then
2.2kJ = m⋅Lwater
m = 2.2/332 ≈ 6.6⋅10-3kg


mice total = mice 0+mice 2 = 0.1+6.6⋅10-3 = 0.1066kg
 
That looks fine.
 
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DrClaude said:
That looks fine.

Woo hoo, thank you! Knowing these properties go any direction clears up a lot of confusion. One final question just to see if I've understood everything correctly. If both ice and water is 273K from the start then nothing will happen?
 
mertzi said:
If both ice and water is 273K from the start then nothing will happen?
Correct. At the temperature of the phase transition, both phases coexist. The amount of one phase or the other can then only change if there is exchange of heat with something outside the system.
 
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