Ice cube sliding off metal roof

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves an ice cube sliding off a metal roof, with participants discussing the application of conservation of energy and forces to determine the velocity and distance traveled. The subject area includes concepts from mechanics and energy conservation.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss using conservation of energy to find velocity and question the assumptions made regarding angles and forces. There is also mention of needing to determine time to find distance, and some suggest breaking the problem into stages.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing guidance on focusing on the correct points in the problem and clarifying the importance of velocity at specific locations. There is recognition of different interpretations regarding the stages of the problem.

Contextual Notes

There is a mention of potential confusion regarding the calculation of velocity at different points and the need for clarity on the assumptions made about angles and forces in the setup.

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Homework Statement



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Homework Equations



$$mgh = \frac{1}{2}v^2$$

The Attempt at a Solution


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I'm working on a). I tried using conservation of energy to get v.

$$mg(c+b) = \frac{1}{2}v^2$$

$$v = \sqrt{2g(c+b)}$$

After this I'm stuck. In order to get distance from knowing the velocity, we must know time which is question b). My friend said its possible to solve this problem using forces. Since there are no angles given in this problem, I'm assuming we convert sin and cos quantities into their equivalent ratios which we know? Even then, we will have the net force, but we can't get distance from acceleration without knowing the time.k
 
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Carpetfizz said:
##mg(c+b)=\frac 1 2 v^2##​

You say you tried to use conservation of energy to get v, but I feel I should point out that your equation is wrong. If you started at rest and define zero potential at the ground, then it should be ##mgh=\frac 1 2 mv^2##, in which case the m will cancel from both sides (hence why it says your answer will be independent of mass) giving you ##gh=\frac 1 2 v^2##.

Edit: Nvm, your answer looks fine, it must be just a typo.
 
So, you have your velocity. You also have the direction of that velocity, you just don't realize it. Try forming a triangle out of b and d.
 
TJGilb said:
So, you have your velocity. You also have the direction of that velocity, you just don't realize it. Try forming a triangle out of b and d.
@Carpetfizz has calculated the velocity at point C, not point B.

Carpetfizz, the velocity at C is not interesting. Treat the problem in two stages. First find the state of things at point B: velocity and time to get there.
 
haruspex said:
@Carpetfizz has calculated the velocity at point C, not point B.

Carpetfizz, the velocity at C is not interesting. Treat the problem in two stages. First find the state of things at point B: velocity and time to get there.

Good catch, I didn't notice that.
 

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