Ideal Gas Exercise: Homework Statement & Solution

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving an ideal gas contained in a cylinder with a frictionless piston. The gas is initially at a temperature of 300K and a volume of 6.0 * 10-3 m3, and it is heated to 400K. The original poster seeks to determine the work done by the gas during this heating process.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to calculate the work done by the gas using the change in internal energy and assumes constant pressure. They express confusion regarding a discrepancy in the expected work value. Other participants question the assumptions made and suggest alternative approaches to calculate work, including the need to consider heat transfer.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging in clarifying concepts related to work and energy in thermodynamic processes. Some have provided guidance on integrating pressure with respect to volume and have clarified the role of external pressure in the work calculation. There is a productive exchange of ideas, but no consensus has been reached on the correct approach yet.

Contextual Notes

The original poster's calculations are based on assumptions that may not hold true in all scenarios, particularly regarding heat transfer during the process. The discussion highlights the need for further exploration of these assumptions and the implications for the work done by the gas.

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Homework Statement



A cylinder with a frictionless piston is placed horizontally in an atmosphere pressure 1 * 105 N/m2. A gas in the cylinder is initially at a temperature of 300K with a volume of 6.0 * 10-3 m3. Then the gas is heated slowly to 400K. How much work is done by the gas in the process?

Homework Equations



Ideal Gas equations:

p*V/T = constant

p*V = NKT = nRT

Ek (average) = (3/2) * kT

Ek (total) = (3/2) * NkT = (3/2)pV

The Attempt at a Solution



At first I calculated the initial energy as:
E1 = (3/2)pV = (3/2)*(1 * 105) * (6.0 * 10-3) = 900J

Then, assuming the pressure is constant, I said:

pV1/T1 = pV2/T2

V2 = V1*T2 / T1

V2 = 6.0 * 10-3 * 400 / 300 = 8*10-3

Thus, the second energy:

E2 = (3/2)*105*8*10-3 = 1200J

And the work:
W = E2 - E1 = 1200 - 900 = 300J.

Now, in the answer to the question, it says the work is not 300J, but 200J.
Can someone enlighten me about my mistake?

Thanks.
 
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You calculated the change in internal energy of the gas (ΔE). ΔE = w + q, so you are ignoring q, the amount of heat transferred during the process. You should use this equation for work instead:

w = -\int_{v_1}^{v_2}{P_{ext}dV}
 
So, I could also calculate:

w = ΔE - q ?

And could you please explain to me how to use the equation you wrote? What's Pext? How do you integrate it? Sorry, I'm not very good with integrals...

Thanks for the quick reply!
 
Pext is the external pressure. If the external pressure stays constant during your process, P does not vary with V and you can pull it out of the integral to get the simpler relation w = -PextΔV. If P varies as the volume changes, you have to do the integration by finding an expression for P in terms of V.
 
Thanks, I finally understand :D
 

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