Find the change in the Kinetic energy of an Ideal Gas

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The discussion focuses on calculating the change in kinetic energy of an ideal gas under different conditions. For the first scenario, it is clarified that the kinetic energy per molecule remains constant when the volume is doubled at constant temperature, leading to a ratio of 1. In the second scenario, where the volume doubles and pressure decreases, participants emphasize the need to understand the relationship between pressure, volume, and temperature to determine the new kinetic energy. The average kinetic energy per molecule is proportional to absolute temperature, not volume, which is critical for solving the problems correctly. Overall, the conversation highlights the importance of precise definitions and understanding the principles of thermodynamics in relation to kinetic energy.
  • #31
You need to clarify the problem statement. How do you get from the initial state to the final state?
 
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  • #32
Dr Dr news said:
You need to clarify the problem statement. How do you get from the initial state to the final state?
Hmm..
The volume doubled and pressure 0.3 lower than before. Gases do work. But in adiabatic condition Q = 0
##\Delta##U = W
So Ek = W?
 
  • #33
Dr Dr news said:
case 2) Without going into the gory detail, for an adiabatic process, p(V)^γ = con, where γ = c(p)/c(V) = 1.67 for a monatomic gas. which means that
p1(V1)^γ = p2(V2)^γ = (p1/1.3)(2 V1)^γ; 1.3 ≠ (2)^1.67. This is some unknown process - not adiabatic.
Is this related to number 2? Or what?
 
  • #34
The volume doubling as the pressure decreases by 30$ is not an adiabatic process. Ref. #24.
 
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Dr Dr news said:
You need to clarify the problem statement. How do you get from the initial state to the final state?
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  • #36
The first question is straightforward. Since the kinetic energy/molecule is (3/2)kT, the kinetic energy/mol is NA (3/2)kT =(3/2)RT. Further, this means that you are considering a monatomic gas which we know from kinetic theory has c(V) = 3R/2 and c(p) = 5R/2. The second question is for a V=con process, Q=?, since dV=0, Wk=0, and ΔU = Q, but ΔU=nc(V)ΔT=Q. The third question is for a p=con process, Wk=?, ΔU=Q-Wk, Wk=Q-ΔU=nc(p)ΔT-nc(V)ΔT=[c(p)-c(V)]nΔT=nRΔT=pΔV. The fourth question is for ΔT=0, Δε(kinetic)=?, since ε(kinetic)∝T, Δε(k)=0, The fifth question is for Q=0 and V(final)=2V(initial), an adiabatic expansion, ΔT=? The confusing part is the listed pressure ratio of p(final)=0.7p(initial). If it is truly an adiabatic expansion the relation p(f)/p(i)=[V(i)/V(f)]^γ=(1/2)^1.67=0.314. Maybe this is what was meant, p(f)=0.314p(i), just poorly worded, in that case T(f)/T(i)=[V(i)/V(f)]^(γ-1)=(1/2)^0.67=0.629=ε(k,f)/ε(k,i).
 
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  • #37
Dr Dr news said:
The first question is straightforward. Since the kinetic energy/molecule is (3/2)kT, the kinetic energy/mol is NA (3/2)kT =(3/2)RT. Further, this means that you are considering a monatomic gas which we know from kinetic theory has c(V) = 3R/2 and c(p) = 5R/2. The second question is for a V=con process, Q=?, since dV=0, Wk=0, and ΔU = Q, but ΔU=nc(V)ΔT=Q. The third question is for a p=con process, Wk=?, ΔU=Q-Wk, Wk=Q-ΔU=nc(p)ΔT-nc(V)ΔT=[c(p)-c(V)]nΔT=nRΔT=pΔV. The fourth question is for ΔT=0, Δε(kinetic)=?, since ε(kinetic)∝T, Δε(k)=0, The fifth question is for Q=0 and V(final)=2V(initial), an adiabatic expansion, ΔT=? The confusing part is the listed pressure ratio of p(final)=0.7p(initial). If it is truly an adiabatic expansion the relation p(f)/p(i)=[V(i)/V(f)]^γ=(1/2)^1.67=0.314. Maybe this is what was meant, p(f)=0.314p(i), just poorly worded, in that case T(f)/T(i)=[V(i)/V(f)]^(γ-1)=(1/2)^0.67=0.629=ε(k,f)/ε(k,i).
Wow. Thanks a lot for reviewing all questions
 
  • #38
Dr Dr news said:
The first question is straightforward. Since the kinetic energy/molecule is (3/2)kT, the kinetic energy/mol is NA (3/2)kT =(3/2)RT. Further, this means that you are considering a monatomic gas which we know from kinetic theory has c(V) = 3R/2 and c(p) = 5R/2. The second question is for a V=con process, Q=?, since dV=0, Wk=0, and ΔU = Q, but ΔU=nc(V)ΔT=Q. The third question is for a p=con process, Wk=?, ΔU=Q-Wk, Wk=Q-ΔU=nc(p)ΔT-nc(V)ΔT=[c(p)-c(V)]nΔT=nRΔT=pΔV. The fourth question is for ΔT=0, Δε(kinetic)=?, since ε(kinetic)∝T, Δε(k)=0, The fifth question is for Q=0 and V(final)=2V(initial), an adiabatic expansion, ΔT=? The confusing part is the listed pressure ratio of p(final)=0.7p(initial). If it is truly an adiabatic expansion the relation p(f)/p(i)=[V(i)/V(f)]^γ=(1/2)^1.67=0.314. Maybe this is what was meant, p(f)=0.314p(i), just poorly worded, in that case T(f)/T(i)=[V(i)/V(f)]^(γ-1)=(1/2)^0.67=0.629=ε(k,f)/ε(k,i).
So, p f = 0.3 p i
Not that pf 0.3 lower than pi?
 
  • #39
That is what it looks like to me.
 
  • #40
Dr Dr news said:
That is what it looks like to me.
Ok. Thanks sir
 

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