Find the change in the Kinetic energy of an Ideal Gas

Click For Summary
SUMMARY

The discussion centers on the kinetic energy of an ideal gas, specifically addressing two scenarios: doubling the volume at constant temperature and doubling the volume with a decrease in pressure. The kinetic energy per molecule is defined as Ek = (3/2)kT, where k is Boltzmann's constant and T is the absolute temperature. It is established that in the first scenario, the kinetic energy does not change, resulting in a ratio of 1. In the second scenario, the temperature increases due to the pressure drop, leading to a greater kinetic energy, calculated as Ek2 = 1.4Ek1, thus indicating a 0.4 increase in kinetic energy.

PREREQUISITES
  • Understanding of the ideal gas law (PV = nRT)
  • Familiarity with kinetic theory of gases
  • Knowledge of thermodynamic concepts such as adiabatic processes
  • Basic grasp of statistical mechanics, particularly Boltzmann's constant
NEXT STEPS
  • Study the relationship between pressure, volume, and temperature in ideal gases using the ideal gas law
  • Explore the implications of adiabatic processes on temperature and energy changes
  • Learn about the degrees of freedom in monatomic gases and their effect on kinetic energy
  • Investigate the differences between kinetic energy and internal energy in thermodynamic systems
USEFUL FOR

Students of physics, particularly those studying thermodynamics and kinetic theory, as well as educators looking to clarify concepts related to the behavior of ideal gases under varying conditions.

  • #31
You need to clarify the problem statement. How do you get from the initial state to the final state?
 
Physics news on Phys.org
  • #32
Dr Dr news said:
You need to clarify the problem statement. How do you get from the initial state to the final state?
Hmm..
The volume doubled and pressure 0.3 lower than before. Gases do work. But in adiabatic condition Q = 0
##\Delta##U = W
So Ek = W?
 
  • #33
Dr Dr news said:
case 2) Without going into the gory detail, for an adiabatic process, p(V)^γ = con, where γ = c(p)/c(V) = 1.67 for a monatomic gas. which means that
p1(V1)^γ = p2(V2)^γ = (p1/1.3)(2 V1)^γ; 1.3 ≠ (2)^1.67. This is some unknown process - not adiabatic.
Is this related to number 2? Or what?
 
  • #34
The volume doubling as the pressure decreases by 30$ is not an adiabatic process. Ref. #24.
 
  • #35
Dr Dr news said:
You need to clarify the problem statement. How do you get from the initial state to the final state?
20180508_125607.jpg


This is the full questions. Hope it still readable
 

Attachments

  • 20180508_125607.jpg
    20180508_125607.jpg
    19.5 KB · Views: 384
  • #36
The first question is straightforward. Since the kinetic energy/molecule is (3/2)kT, the kinetic energy/mol is NA (3/2)kT =(3/2)RT. Further, this means that you are considering a monatomic gas which we know from kinetic theory has c(V) = 3R/2 and c(p) = 5R/2. The second question is for a V=con process, Q=?, since dV=0, Wk=0, and ΔU = Q, but ΔU=nc(V)ΔT=Q. The third question is for a p=con process, Wk=?, ΔU=Q-Wk, Wk=Q-ΔU=nc(p)ΔT-nc(V)ΔT=[c(p)-c(V)]nΔT=nRΔT=pΔV. The fourth question is for ΔT=0, Δε(kinetic)=?, since ε(kinetic)∝T, Δε(k)=0, The fifth question is for Q=0 and V(final)=2V(initial), an adiabatic expansion, ΔT=? The confusing part is the listed pressure ratio of p(final)=0.7p(initial). If it is truly an adiabatic expansion the relation p(f)/p(i)=[V(i)/V(f)]^γ=(1/2)^1.67=0.314. Maybe this is what was meant, p(f)=0.314p(i), just poorly worded, in that case T(f)/T(i)=[V(i)/V(f)]^(γ-1)=(1/2)^0.67=0.629=ε(k,f)/ε(k,i).
 
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: Helly123
  • #37
Dr Dr news said:
The first question is straightforward. Since the kinetic energy/molecule is (3/2)kT, the kinetic energy/mol is NA (3/2)kT =(3/2)RT. Further, this means that you are considering a monatomic gas which we know from kinetic theory has c(V) = 3R/2 and c(p) = 5R/2. The second question is for a V=con process, Q=?, since dV=0, Wk=0, and ΔU = Q, but ΔU=nc(V)ΔT=Q. The third question is for a p=con process, Wk=?, ΔU=Q-Wk, Wk=Q-ΔU=nc(p)ΔT-nc(V)ΔT=[c(p)-c(V)]nΔT=nRΔT=pΔV. The fourth question is for ΔT=0, Δε(kinetic)=?, since ε(kinetic)∝T, Δε(k)=0, The fifth question is for Q=0 and V(final)=2V(initial), an adiabatic expansion, ΔT=? The confusing part is the listed pressure ratio of p(final)=0.7p(initial). If it is truly an adiabatic expansion the relation p(f)/p(i)=[V(i)/V(f)]^γ=(1/2)^1.67=0.314. Maybe this is what was meant, p(f)=0.314p(i), just poorly worded, in that case T(f)/T(i)=[V(i)/V(f)]^(γ-1)=(1/2)^0.67=0.629=ε(k,f)/ε(k,i).
Wow. Thanks a lot for reviewing all questions
 
  • #38
Dr Dr news said:
The first question is straightforward. Since the kinetic energy/molecule is (3/2)kT, the kinetic energy/mol is NA (3/2)kT =(3/2)RT. Further, this means that you are considering a monatomic gas which we know from kinetic theory has c(V) = 3R/2 and c(p) = 5R/2. The second question is for a V=con process, Q=?, since dV=0, Wk=0, and ΔU = Q, but ΔU=nc(V)ΔT=Q. The third question is for a p=con process, Wk=?, ΔU=Q-Wk, Wk=Q-ΔU=nc(p)ΔT-nc(V)ΔT=[c(p)-c(V)]nΔT=nRΔT=pΔV. The fourth question is for ΔT=0, Δε(kinetic)=?, since ε(kinetic)∝T, Δε(k)=0, The fifth question is for Q=0 and V(final)=2V(initial), an adiabatic expansion, ΔT=? The confusing part is the listed pressure ratio of p(final)=0.7p(initial). If it is truly an adiabatic expansion the relation p(f)/p(i)=[V(i)/V(f)]^γ=(1/2)^1.67=0.314. Maybe this is what was meant, p(f)=0.314p(i), just poorly worded, in that case T(f)/T(i)=[V(i)/V(f)]^(γ-1)=(1/2)^0.67=0.629=ε(k,f)/ε(k,i).
So, p f = 0.3 p i
Not that pf 0.3 lower than pi?
 
  • #39
That is what it looks like to me.
 
  • #40
Dr Dr news said:
That is what it looks like to me.
Ok. Thanks sir
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 8 ·
Replies
8
Views
2K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
3K
Replies
16
Views
4K
Replies
2
Views
5K
  • · Replies 21 ·
Replies
21
Views
3K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
3K
Replies
10
Views
2K
  • · Replies 9 ·
Replies
9
Views
5K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
3K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
5K