Identifying orgin of everyday materials.

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The discussion revolves around identifying the origins of everyday materials, exploring resources that detail the sources of common objects. Participants consider the complexity of tracing materials back to their raw forms, including discussions on specific examples like glass and plastics.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants inquire about resources that identify the origins of everyday materials, suggesting that such a comprehensive list may be difficult to compile.
  • One participant mentions the potential for a book titled "Where it Comes From" that could trace the origins of materials to their sources.
  • Another participant notes the regulatory role of agencies like the FDA in tracking material origins, although the completeness of such databases is questioned.
  • Some participants express skepticism about the feasibility of compiling a detailed list of material origins, citing the need for extensive manufacturer records.
  • There is a discussion about the origins of synthetic materials, particularly those derived from oil, with references to existing literature on related topics.
  • A side discussion emerges regarding the atoms in the human body and their origins, particularly in relation to the original egg from which a person developed, raising questions about atomic replacement and the uniqueness of certain proteins.
  • Participants mention specific books that might address the topic of material origins, including titles that focus on the composition of everyday items.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the feasibility of identifying material origins, with some suggesting it is possible while others doubt it. The discussion on atomic origins also reveals differing perspectives on whether atoms from the original egg remain in the body.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations in available resources and the complexity of tracing materials back to their raw sources, as well as the unresolved nature of the atomic replacement question.

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This question may belong under the chemistry section, but here goes.

Does anyone know of a resource that identifies the origin of all the material objects you see around you every day?

For example, that glass you are holding was origionally silicon oxide, otherwise know as sand.
 
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The government regulates just about everything. I'm sure that agencies like the FDA will have a database that gives a complete rundown of everything they regulate.
 
flatmaster said:
This question may belong under the chemistry section, but here goes.

Does anyone know of a resource that identifies the origin of all the material objects you see around you every day?

For example, that glass you are holding was origionally silicon oxide, otherwise know as sand.

I've never seen such a book, but there are books like "How it Works" which breaks down the principles behind everyday household machines and such, so I would think there's an audience for a book like "Where it Comes From", which would trace the origins of everyday materials to their sources.
 
flatmaster said:
For example, that glass you are holding was origionally silicon oxide, otherwise know as sand.

In case anybody is wondering: I was originally one of my mom's eggs.
 
flatmaster said:
This question may belong under the chemistry section, but here goes.

Does anyone know of a resource that identifies the origin of all the material objects you see around you every day?

For example, that glass you are holding was origionally silicon oxide, otherwise know as sand.
I seriously doubt such a list can be made. Automobile tires are made out of corn, I have a cloth bag made from soda bottles, the plastic bottles were made from petroleum products.
 
Redbelly98 said:
In case anybody is wondering: I was originally one of my mom's eggs.

This is probably open to debate. When you didn't behave yourself your mother, I'm sure, completely ascribed your origin to your father.
 
Maybe NIST can help to some extent: http://www.nist.gov/index.html"
 
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flatmaster said:
This question may belong under the chemistry section, but here goes.

Does anyone know of a resource that identifies the origin of all the material objects you see around you every day?

For example, that glass you are holding was origionally silicon oxide, otherwise know as sand.
No one is going to compile such a detailed list, especially if one wants to go back the origin of the extracted raw material, whether its a mine, well or farm.

One would need to visit each manufacturer in the production chain and look at purchased material records, and then look at the production records to see where virgin material was used and where recycled material is used. Manufacturers track such details with travelers, blend sheets, and various other records, which are part of a quality control/quality assurance system.
 
zoobyshoe said:
I've never seen such a book, but there are books like "How it Works" which breaks down the principles behind everyday household machines and such, so I would think there's an audience for a book like "Where it Comes From", which would trace the origins of everyday materials to their sources.

This is exactly what I was thinking of. Particularilly, I want to be able to point out things that origionally came from oil such as plastics and pretty much anything that has "synthetic" in it's name.
 
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flatmaster said:
This is exactly what I was thinking of. Particularilly, I want to be able to point out things that origionally came from oil such as plastics and pretty much anything that has "synthetic" in it's name.
I read a great, comprehensive book on glass once, so a similar book about products derived from oil may well exist. You might try searching around on Amazon.
 
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Redbelly98 said:
In case anybody is wondering: I was originally one of my mom's eggs.

See I wonder about this. Are any of the atoms in the original egg still in your body, or have they since all been replaced?
 
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maze said:
See I wonder about this. Are any of the atoms in the original egg still in your body, or have they since all been replaced?

Interesting problem. I could imagine the number of atoms having some sort of half life.
 
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maze said:
See I wonder about this. Are any of the atoms in the original egg still in your body, or have they since all been replaced?

Statistically, yes, absolutely. And statistically, every glass of water you drink probably contains a molecule of water once pissed out by George Washington. This has to do with the fact that Avogadro's number is a really big number.

But on a more serious note, some proteins, for instance the ones that form your corneas, are only created exactly once. You don't get new corneas and the atoms in them don't get exchanged. Well not quite, hydrogens and some oxygens can get exchanged with water, but the carbon atoms are most certainly staying put.
 
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But on a more serious note, some proteins, for instance the ones that form your corneas, are only created exactly once.

Very interesting. Does anyone know why this is? For example, does genetics govern things like this? If I scratch the surface of my cornea, then within a couple days it will heal. How can this be done if the proteins in my cornea can not be re-created?
 
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flatmaster said:
This question may belong under the chemistry section, but here goes.

Does anyone know of a resource that identifies the origin of all the material objects you see around you every day?

For example, that glass you are holding was origionally silicon oxide, otherwise know as sand.
This book sounds like what you are looking for, "What are these things made of?" ISBN 0 731 2387 5 or What is it Made of? (Experiments in Science) ISBN 0 751 3125 17
 
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Thanks. I'll look that up.

In reguard to the asside discussion of atoms in you body coming from your primordial egg. Do you include atoms that were once a part of the egg, but then eventyally made their way back to your body?
 
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I think that doesn't matter, since the chances of any atom making it back after leaving your body is incredibly small.
 

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