Identifying Potential σ-Fields: Exam Practice Exercises

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The discussion revolves around identifying potential σ-fields from given collections of subsets over a sample space, specifically in the context of probability theory. The original poster presents three collections and attempts to determine if they satisfy the conditions necessary to be considered σ-fields.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants explore the conditions required for a collection to be a σ-field, including the presence of complements and the closure under countable unions. Questions arise regarding the completeness of complements in the collections and the validity of the unions presented.

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The conversation is active, with participants providing feedback on each other's reasoning. Some guidance has been offered regarding the need to check additional unions, and there is an acknowledgment of mistakes in previous assertions. Multiple interpretations of the conditions for σ-fields are being explored.

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Participants are working under the constraints of a homework assignment, which typically does not provide answers, leading to a focus on understanding the underlying principles rather than arriving at definitive conclusions.

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I have started to solve exercises given on a previous exam, but typically I do not have the answers.

Homework Statement


The question is: Which (if any) of these collections are potentially σ-fields over some sample space such that probability functions could be defined over them? Explain briefly

Homework Equations


a) A={∅, {A,B,C}, {A}, {B}, {C}}
b) B={∅, {A,B,C}, {A}, {B,C}}
c) C={∅, {1,2,3}, {4,5}}

The Attempt at a Solution


I started by setting up the conditions for a these sets to be σ-fields. Let B be a collection of subsets of ℂ, then B is a σ-field is:
1) The empty set is part of the subset
2) If x \in B, then x^{C}\in B
3) If the sequence of sets {X_1, X_2, X_3,...} is in B, then \bigcupX_i is a part of ℂ

The first condition is satisfied for all the collections.

a) If I have understood the theory of complements right we have that:
∅^{C}={A,B,C} - OK
{(A,B,C)}^{C}=∅ - OK
{A}^{C}={B,C} - not in the collection -> not a σ-field

b) In the same manner, I find that all the complements exist in this collection. For the third part i have writte \bigcup{(A,B,C)}\cup{(A)}\cup{(B,C)}=∅. Will that be correct?
Anyway, I conclude that this is a potentially σ-field.

c) Here I find that the complement of the empty set does not exist, and thus this is not a σ
-field
 
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For (b), are you sure that every complement is again in the set??
 
Well, I believe so.
The complement of the empty set is {A,B,C}.
The complement of {A,B,C} is the empty set.
The complement of {A} is {B,C}
The complement of {B,C} is {A},

Am I missing something?
 
Charlotte87 said:
Well, I believe so.
The complement of the empty set is {A,B,C}.
The complement of {A,B,C} is the empty set.
The complement of {A} is {B,C}
The complement of {B,C} is {A},

Am I missing something?

I don't see {B,C} in the set...
 
Sorry, my mistake, it should be {B,C}, not {A,B}.
 
OK, then you're right that (b) is sigma-field. However, your explanation

Charlotte87 said:
\bigcup{(A,B,C)}\cup{(A)}\cup{(B,C)}=∅.

does not seem right. It's a bit weird that the union of all these things could be empty.
 
Your right, I have been confusing it with the intersections. So, the union of all these things will be {A,B,C}, right? and that should of course be a part of the larger set.
 
Yes, but that's only the union of all the sets. That is, you then know that

\emptyset\cup \{A,B,C\}\cup \{A\}\cup \{B,C\}

is in the sigma-field.

But you also need to check the other unions, like

\{A\}\cup\{B,C\}

and

\{A\}\cup\{A,B,C\}

and so on.

Of course, these will lie trivially in the sigma-field again, but you need to check it.
 
Thankyou very much. This has been very helpful!
 

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