Identity true in the reals, not in complex?

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The discussion explores whether there are mathematical identities that hold true for all real numbers but fail for all complex numbers. Participants examine various identities and properties, focusing on the differences between real and complex number systems.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that the identity \(\sqrt{ab} = \sqrt{a}\sqrt{b}\) is true for all positive real numbers but not for all complex numbers.
  • Another participant points out that the real part of a complex number, Re(x), equals zero is an identity that does not hold for complex numbers.
  • A participant states that \(x^2 \neq -1\) is true for real numbers but not for complex numbers.
  • One participant mentions that the law of trichotomy applies to real numbers but not to complex numbers.
  • Another participant notes that inequalities, such as \(x < y\), cannot be applied in the complex field, although equalities can.
  • A participant raises a point about Cauchy's integral formula, indicating that the relationship between a real function and its derivative differs from that of complex functions.
  • One participant emphasizes that many formulas concerning multivalued functions must be treated with caution in the context of complex numbers.
  • Another participant mentions that \(|x| \neq |y| \Rightarrow x = -y\) is a statement that does not hold in the same way for complex numbers.

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Participants express various viewpoints, with no clear consensus on a definitive list of identities that are true for all real numbers but not for complex numbers. Multiple competing views and examples are presented, indicating an unresolved discussion.

Contextual Notes

Some identities and properties discussed depend on the definitions of real and complex numbers, and the limitations of applying certain mathematical concepts across these fields are acknowledged.

Char. Limit
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Are there any identities that are true for all real numbers, but not for all complex numbers? The only one I can think of is...

[tex]\sqrt{ab}=\sqrt{a}\sqrt{b}[/tex]

Which is only true if a and b are POSITIVE, not real. But is there any identity that works for all real numbers, but fails for complex numbers?
 
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The most obvious is Re(x) = 0.
 
[tex]x^2\neq-1[/tex]
 
Hurkyl said:
The most obvious is Re(x) = 0.
And, of course, by Re I mean Im.
 
Pretty much all the formulas concerning multivalued functions must be treated with caution.
 
For all x,y x<y or x=y or x>y
 
Bill Simpson said:
For all x,y x<y or x=y or x>y

Inequalities aren't allowed in the complex field, but equalities are.
 
|x| != |y| => x = -y
 
the law of trichotomy :-p
 
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I don't know that it's the same thing as the OP asks but cauchy's integral formula is something else that's different. the value of a real function doesn't have anything to do with the value of its derivative but with complex functions it does.
 

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