If a function f is differentiable at a point x = c of its domain, then

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The discussion revolves around the differentiability of functions at a point and the implications of differentiability in a neighborhood of that point. Participants explore whether a function that is differentiable at a point must also be differentiable in some neighborhood around that point, considering various examples and definitions related to continuity and differentiability.

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  • Some participants propose that if a function is differentiable at a point, it must also be differentiable in some neighborhood of that point, citing the reliance on local behavior in proofs.
  • Others argue against this, presenting counterexamples such as a piecewise function that is only differentiable at a single point.
  • A later reply questions the necessity of continuity in a neighborhood for differentiability, suggesting that a function could be continuous at a point but not in its neighborhood.
  • Participants discuss the definition of continuity at a point, noting that it involves limits approaching the function value but does not imply continuity in a neighborhood.
  • Some participants mention specific functions, like the Weierstrass function, to illustrate cases where a function can be continuous and differentiable at a point but not in its neighborhood.

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Participants generally disagree on whether differentiability at a point implies differentiability in a neighborhood. Multiple competing views remain, with some supporting the idea and others providing counterexamples.

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Limitations include the dependence on definitions of continuity and differentiability, as well as unresolved mathematical steps regarding the implications of differentiability in neighborhoods.

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If a function f is differentiable at a point x = c of its domain, then must it also be differentiable in some neighborhood of x = c?
 
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In some neighborhood yes. Proof of derivation relies on this (if I'm correct). If 2.9999 is differentiable and 3.0000 is not, there is still the 2.99999 or 2.999999 between the 2 values, so there is some local surrounding domain you could take into account.
 


No this is not true. Consider the function:
f(x) = \left\{\begin{array}{lr}x^2&x\in\mathbb{Q}\\-x^2&x\not\in\mathbb{Q}\end{array}
This function is only differentiable at the point x=0.
 


Good catch, slider142! Okay, for fun let's emend the question a bit...

Given an function that is continuous in some neighborhood of c and differentiable at c, must it also be differentiable in some neighborhood of c?
 


Ahh, good question;p

Isn't slider142's function
<br /> f(x) = \left\{\begin{array}{lr}x^2&amp;x\in\mathbb{Q}\\-x^2&amp;x\not\in\mathbb{Q}\end{array}<br />
continuous at x=0? Isn't it necessary for a function to be continuous at a point c for it to be derivable at c?

And what does it mean to be continuous at a point? Doesn't continuity necessarily involve a neighbourhood of a point? So I think first we must ask, if a function is continuous at a point c, then is it continuous in a neighbourhood of that point?
 


BobbyBear said:
And what does it mean to be continuous at a point?

a function f is continuous at a if
\lim_{x \to a}f(x) = f(a)

Continuity at a point only means that nearby points approach a, not that it's continuous near a.
 


Cantab Morgan said:
Good catch, slider142! Okay, for fun let's emend the question a bit...

Given an function that is continuous in some neighborhood of c and differentiable at c, must it also be differentiable in some neighborhood of c?
I don't think so. Take any continuous function f differentiable at c and any continuous, nowhere differentiable function g bounded in some neighbourhood of 0 (such as the Weierstrass function). Then f(x) + (x-c)*g(x-c) should be continuous, differentiable at c, but not differentiable on any neighbourhood of c.
 


Continuity at a point only means that nearby points approach a, not that it's continuous near a.

-nods at qntty-

but continuity at a point does require the existence of the function in a neighbourhood of the point. Slider's function is continuous at x=0 but at no other point (I think) :p
 


Indeed. The common example of a function continuous at a single point but defined for all x in R is
f(x)=\left\{\begin{array}{lr}x,&amp;x\in\mathbb{Q}\\0,&amp;x\not\in\mathbb{Q}\end{array}
or you can replace the 0 function by -x, etc.
From the definition of derivative it is easy to show directly that if the function is differentiable at a point, it is also continuous there. The converse is not true, as exemplified by this function and the Weierstrauss function.
 
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