If A is contained in B, then the interior of A is contained in B.

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The discussion revolves around a problem in topology, specifically addressing the relationship between a set A and a set B within a topological space. The original poster seeks to demonstrate that if A is contained in B, then the interior of A is also contained in B, with an emphasis on proving that the interior of A is a proper subset of the interior of B.

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  • Participants explore the definitions of interior and closure, with some questioning the conditions under which the interiors of A and B might be equal. There is discussion about potential counterexamples and the implications of A being a proper subset of B.

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The conversation includes various attempts to clarify the problem, with some participants offering insights into the definitions and properties of interiors in topology. There is recognition of the complexity of the problem, and while some guidance has been provided, there is no explicit consensus on the resolution of the original question.

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Participants note the importance of working within a topological space and consider the implications of different types of subsets, including proper subsets and their interiors. There is also mention of specific literature that may define subset relationships differently.

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Homework Statement


Given that A and B are in a topology, show that if A is contained in B, then the interior of A is contained in B.

Homework Equations


The interior of A:={a: there exists a neighborhood which is a subset of A}

The Attempt at a Solution


I can prove that the interior of A is contained in OR EQUAL TO the interior of B but I am having trouble showing that they cannot be equal. I have tried setting int(A)=int(B) and working towards a contradiction to no avail.
 
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What's the interior of R and Q?
I can't think of any nonempty ones off the top of my head.
 
The interior of Q is empty, and I believe the interior of R would be R if the topology is in R.
 
There's no contradiction if a subset actually coincides with its superset. You've evidently proven the result.
 
Sorry, my original post was not entirely correct. I need to prove that the the interior of A is a PROPER subset of the interior of B.
 
So you're given that A is a proper subset of B? Is the lemma that given A a proper subset of B, int(A) is a proper subset of int(B)? Why isn't [tex]A=\text{int}(A), B = \bar{A}[/tex] a counterexample, where [tex]\bar{A}[/tex] is the closure of A? Serious question as I'm mainly a physicist.

Edit: I meant [tex]A=\text{int}(C), B = \bar{C}[/tex].
 
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Are you working in a topological space? If you are, it just suffices to show [tex]\cup \{ X \in \tau : X\subseteq B \mbox{ and } X \cap A = \emptyset \}[/tex] is nonempty.

If you're working in R^2 you can just play around with lengths to get proper bounds for epsilon.
 
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another similar counter example, what if B is the union of A with a discrete point not contained in any neighbourhood of A

then doesn't
int(A) = int(B)

can you write the question exactly as it was stated?
 
I believe I have found an answer. [tex]\forall{X}\in{\tau}:X=X^{\circ}[/tex]
Where [tex]X^{\circ}[/tex] is the interior of X, and [tex]\tau[/tex] is a topological space. Doing some reading I found a definition of a topology which defines it as a collection of open sets, and then a definition which said that a set is open iff it is equal to its interior.

Can somebody please verify this is true?

The exact question:

Let [tex]X[/tex] be topological space. Prove that if [tex]A,B \subset{X}[/tex] and [tex]A\subset{B}[/tex] then
a) [tex]A^{\circ}\subset{B^{\circ}}[/tex]
b) [tex]\bar{A} \subset \bar{B}[/tex]
 
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Generally, in the literature [tex]\subset[/tex] is synonymous with [tex]\subseteq[/tex]. [tex]\varsubsetneq \not= \subset[/tex]
 
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ZioX said:
Generally, in the literature [tex]\subset[/tex] is synonymous with [tex]\subseteq[/tex]. [tex]\varsubsetneq \not= \subset[/tex]

Apparently not in this particular piece of literature (my homework): http://www.stat.psu.edu/~arkady/403/HWKs/Assignment%205.pdf" See Problem C.
 
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Thank you everybody for your help, I believe I have enough information to solve the problem.
 
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sorry, I shortcutted to A & B subsets of a topological space

as you point out if A & B are in the topology they are open and equal to their interior, thus it holds for subsets & their proper subsets
 
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