Interior of the set of "finite" sequences

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The discussion revolves around identifying the boundary of the set of finite sequences, denoted as ##c_{00}##, within the context of the spaces ##\ell^p## for each ##p\in[1,\infty]##. The original poster attempts to explore the closure and interior properties of these sets, particularly focusing on how to determine the interior of ##c_{00}## in different cases.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the definitions of the sets involved, including ##c_{00}##, ##\ell^p##, and ##c_0##. The original poster expresses uncertainty about finding the interior of ##c_{00}## and seeks clarification on the topological properties of these sets. Others suggest that examining closure proofs may provide insights into the boundaries and interiors.

Discussion Status

The conversation is ongoing, with participants exploring definitions and properties of the sets. Some have raised questions about the openness of the sets and the implications for the boundary and interior, indicating a productive direction without reaching a consensus.

Contextual Notes

There is an emphasis on the standard notation used in the discussion, and the definitions of the sets are considered essential for understanding the problem. Participants are also reflecting on the topological aspects of the sets, which may influence their interpretations.

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Homework Statement


Identify the boundary ##\partial c_{00}## in ##\ell^p##, for each ##p\in[1,\infty]##

Homework Equations


The interior of ##S## is ##\operatorname{int}(S) = \{a\in S \mid \exists \delta > 0 \text{ such that } B_\delta (a) \subseteq S\}##.

##\partial S = \bar{S}\setminus \operatorname{int}(S)##

The Attempt at a Solution


This problem uses part of the result from the last problem I posted, but I am going to try it first since it seems a bit easier. Suppose I already know that the closure of ##c_{00}## when ##p\not = \infty## is ##\ell^p##, and that the closure of ##c_{00}## when ##p=\infty## is ##c_0##.

Case 1: ##p\not =\infty##. ##\partial c_{00} = \bar{c_{00}}\setminus \operatorname{int}(c_{00}) = \ell^p\setminus \operatorname{int}(c_{00}) ##.

Case 2: ##p = \infty##. ##\partial c_{00} = \bar{c_{00}}\setminus \operatorname{int}(c_{00}) = c_0\setminus \operatorname{int}(c_{00}) ##So I guess my question then is how would I go about finding the interior of ##c_{00}## in both cases?
 
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##c_{00} := \left\{x=\{x_n\}_{n=1}^\infty \in \ell^p \,:\, \text{ there is an }N\in\mathbb{N} \text{ such that }x_n=0 \text{ for all }n\geq N \,\right\} \subseteq \ell^p:=\left\{\{x_n\}_{n=1}^\infty\in\mathbb{R}^\mathbb{N}\,:\, \sum_{n\in\mathbb{N}} |x_n|^p <\infty\right\}##

##c_{00} :=
\left\{x=\{x_n\}_{n=1}^\infty\in \ell^\infty\,:\,\text{ there is an $N\in\mathbb{N}$ such that $x_n=0$ for all $n\geq N$}\right\} \subseteq \ell^\infty:=\left\{\{x_n\}_{n=1}^\infty\in\mathbb{R}^\mathbb{N}\,:\, \sup(\{|x_n|:n\in\mathbb{N}\})<\infty\right\}
##

##c_0:= \left\{x=\{x_n\}_{n=1}^\infty\in c:\,\lim_{n\to\infty}x_n=0\right\}##
 
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fresh_42 said:
##c_{00} := \left\{x=\{x_n\}_{n=1}^\infty \in \ell^p \,:\, \text{ there is an }N\in\mathbb{N} \text{ such that }x_n=0 \text{ for all }n\geq N \,\right\} \subseteq \ell^p:=\left\{\{x_n\}_{n=1}^\infty\in\mathbb{R}^\mathbb{N}\,:\, \sum_{n\in\mathbb{N}} |x_n|^p <\infty\right\}##

##c_{00} :=
\left\{x=\{x_n\}_{n=1}^\infty\in \ell^\infty\,:\,\text{ there is an $N\in\mathbb{N}$ such that $x_n=0$ for all $n\geq N$}\right\} \subseteq \ell^\infty:=\left\{\{x_n\}_{n=1}^\infty\in\mathbb{R}^\mathbb{N}\,:\, \sup(\{|x_n|:n\in\mathbb{N}\})<\infty\right\}
##

##c_0:= \left\{x=\{x_n\}_{n=1}^\infty\in c:\,\lim_{n\to\infty}x_n=0\right\}##
Could you explain a bit more?
 
Mr Davis 97 said:
Could you explain a bit more?
I simply wanted to make your thread readable. As far as I know, the notation ##\ell^p## is standard, the subsets are not. And the definitions of ##c_0## and ##c_{00}## are essential to the thread, and you have neither linked their definition nor repeated them. That's why I copied the definitions from the other thread.

I haven't thought about the topological properties of these sets. If you show your closure proofs, then they might contain a hint what the boundary, resp. the interiors are. I do not assume isolated points here, so the question will be: are those sets open?
 
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