If f : R −→ R is continuous and f (7) > 2, then ∃δ > 0 such that

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The discussion revolves around the properties of a continuous function f: R → R, specifically focusing on the implications of the condition f(7) > 2. Participants are exploring the relationship between continuity and the behavior of the function near the point x = 7.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants are attempting to apply the definition of continuity to show that there exists a δ > 0 such that f(x) > 2 for all x within a neighborhood of 7. Questions arise about the generality of the continuity condition and its implications for points other than 7.

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Some participants have provided insights into the continuity definition and its application, suggesting that f must remain above 2 within a certain distance from 7. Others are exploring the necessity of understanding the geometric implications of continuity before formalizing their reasoning into an ε-δ proof.

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There is a noted uncertainty regarding the specific behavior of f beyond the immediate vicinity of 7, with considerations about whether f could be greater than 2 for all x or only near 7. The participants are also navigating the implications of the continuity definition without a complete consensus on the approach.

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If f : R −→ R is continuous and f (7) > 2, then ∃δ > 0 such that ...

If f : R −→ R is continuous and f (7) > 2, then ∃δ > 0 such that f (x) > 2 ∀x ∈ Vδ (7).

I know the definition of continuous at a point. However, the question does not specific any particular point. Will it still work?

Could anyone help get me started?

What I got so far
For all epsilon > 0 there exist δ > 0 such that whenever x in R and |x-7|< δ, it follow that |f(x) - f(7)| < |f(x) - 2|< sth that I am not sure

Am I going the right direction?
 
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Askhwhelp said:
If f : R −→ R is continuous and f (7) > 2, then ∃δ > 0 such that f (x) > 2 ∀x ∈ Vδ (7).

I know the definition of continuous at a point. However, the question does not specific any particular point.

Will it still work?

Could anyone help get me started?

What I got so far
For all epsilon > 0 there exist δ > 0 such that whenever x in R and |x-7|< δ, it follow that |f(x) - f(7)| < |f(x) - 2|< sth that I am not sure

Am I going the right direction?

You're not told that [itex]f(7) = 2[/itex], you're told that [itex]f(7) > 2[/itex].

The definition of continuity says that something is true for all strictly positive numbers, so you may want to see what follows if you take a particular strictly positive number.
 
First, you need to understand why this is true. Then you turn that understanding into the e-d formal proof.

So, f(7) > 2. If f is continuous, then it must be > 2 for a (perhaps small) distance either side of 2. Note that:

f may be > 2 for all x.
f may only be greater than 2 close to 7 (x = 7 may be a local maximum of 2.1, say).

But, one thing f can't do is jump down to less than 2 arbitrily close to 7.

If you draw a graph of f, it must remain > 2 for a finite distance round 7.

You can use e-d proofs as follows:

[itex]Let \ \epsilon = f(7) - 2[/itex]

[itex]Then \ \exists \ \delta > 0 \ s.t. |x-7| < \delta \Rightarrow \ |f(x) - f(7)| < \epsilon[/itex]

[itex]\Rightarrow f(x) > f(7) - \epsilon \ = \ 2[/itex]

Note that (in case you're wondering):

[itex]|f(x) - f(7)| < \epsilon \ \Rightarrow \ f(x) \in (f(7)-\epsilon, f(7)+\epsilon)[/itex]

[itex]\Rightarrow \ f(7)-\epsilon < f(x) < f(7)+\epsilon[/itex]

And we only needed the first inequality in this case.

The trick in my view with these problems is not to think about e-d until you've understood the geometry of the situation.
 
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