If I'm heading into Calculus (self-study w/ Spivak-I think, not sure

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The discussion revolves around the necessity and recommendations for proofs books in the context of self-studying calculus, particularly using Spivak's text. Participants explore the importance of understanding proofs in calculus and seek advice on suitable resources for learning proof techniques.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether they should buy a proofs book for self-study in calculus, expressing uncertainty about the importance of proofs in this context.
  • Another participant suggests that while proofs are not crucial for initial calculus learning, understanding them can provide a significant advantage later on.
  • Some participants note that many students focus more on techniques rather than proofs in introductory calculus courses.
  • Several participants recommend specific proofs books, including "The Nuts and Bolts of Proofs" and "How to Read and Do Proofs," while also discussing the appropriateness of these texts for high school students.
  • One participant mentions a free downloadable book on writing proofs, which is received positively.
  • A later reply suggests that "Calculus" by Tom Apostol is thorough in its treatment of proofs but may be too advanced for high school students, depending on their abilities.
  • Participants discuss various proof techniques, such as direct proofs, proof by contradiction, and the use of inductive arguments, indicating that the choice of method can depend on the situation.

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Participants generally agree that understanding proofs can be beneficial, but there is no consensus on how essential they are for learning calculus. Multiple competing views on the necessity of proofs and the best resources remain present in the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty about their own abilities and the appropriateness of certain texts for their level. There is also a lack of consensus on the best approach to learning proofs and the varying importance of proofs in different educational contexts.

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If I'm heading into Calculus (self-study w/ Spivak--I think, not sure

If I'm heading into Calculus (self-study w/ Spivak--I think, not sure on which edition), should I buy a proofs book?

I've decided on this one:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/0521675995/?tag=pfamazon01-20

Is this a good one or is there another better one? Please note that I'm only starting high school.

P.S. How important is it to know proofs in Calculus?

Thanks:smile:
 
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BloodyFrozen said:
Is this a good one or is there another better one? Please note that I'm only starting high school.

You're only starting high school and you're already wanting to do proofs? You must be in one of those gifted high schools. :biggrin: That's good though, I wasn't exposed to a proofs class until I was in the middle of my undergrad. The earlier you can start developing good techniques to write proofs, the better though. You'll be way ahead of the game when you get to college.


BloodyFrozen said:
P.S. How important is it to know proofs in Calculus?
Thanks:smile:

For your first time around, not very. A lot of the retention from introductory calculus comes from the techniques learned, not the proofs. Very seldom do I see somebody using the difference quotient to derive the power rule for differentiation (which involves binomial expansion). One reason for this is that a lot of kids in college have calculus as a required class (outside major). Many kids don't care about the proofs and just want to apply the techniques. There are probably some calculus classes out there that do focus more on the proofs, but from where I came from. It was mostly tailored toward learning the techniques.

However, if you can prove results from differentation and integration, you'll be waaaay ahead of the pack.
 


Thanks, but my school is not gifted. I'm just self studying:biggrin:

Do you have any recommendations for a proofs book?
 


My proofs class actually didn't have a book, so I don't sorry.
 


gb7nash said:
My proofs class actually didn't have a book, so I don't sorry.

Ok, thanks anyways.

Anyone else got a suggestion?:-p
 
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Well, If your interested in really understanding the theorems, why they work, and how they are proved I have found the Book "Calculus" by Tom Apostol Volumes 1 and 2) to be quite thorough and rigorous with respect to doing proofs. However, if you are at high school level it may seem like overkill and/or be a bit hard to follow. It depends to a large extent on your abilities. You can also find a lot of theorems and proofs online.

You might also hit your school, college library, or the web and look for reading material that deals with the underlying logic and reasoning behind mathematical proofs. For instance, sometimes it might be best to use an inductive argument. Other times a direct proof
Proposition A => Proposition B works best but sometimes it might be easier to prove the contrapositive "Not B => Not A". Or proof by contradiction. Or,as often arises in Calculus, is it best to use an Analytic proof, an Geometric proof, or both ? Getting to know which argument might work best in a given situation comes with time and experience.
 

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