If light speed (not in a vacuum) was about human walking speed ....

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The discussion centers on the implications of light speed being equivalent to human walking speed, exploring various science fiction interpretations. Notable works mentioned include Greg Egan's trilogy where light has mass, and George Gamow's "Mr. Tompkins in Wonderland," which presents exaggerated physics concepts. The conversation also references Lene Hau's experiments in slowing light, highlighting the difference between actual light speed and the theoretical implications of altering spacetime characteristics. The participants engage in a thoughtful examination of how such changes would affect physics and storytelling in science fiction.

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  • Understanding of relativity and its implications in physics
  • Familiarity with science fiction literature, particularly works by Greg Egan and George Gamow
  • Knowledge of light speed and its behavior in different mediums
  • Awareness of experimental physics, specifically Lene Hau's work on light manipulation
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  • Research Greg Egan's trilogy, particularly the scientific concepts explored in his works
  • Explore the physics behind Lene Hau's experiments in slowing light
  • Read "Mr. Tompkins in Wonderland" by George Gamow for a creative take on physics
  • Investigate the portrayal of light speed in various science fiction media, including "Doctor Who"
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This discussion is beneficial for science fiction enthusiasts, physicists, and anyone interested in the intersection of theoretical physics and storytelling. It provides insights into how scientific concepts can inspire creative narratives and provoke thought about the nature of reality.

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If light speed (not in a vacuum) was about human walking speed ...
Did any sci fi writer try that?
 
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I met this idea once in a kind of 'relativity for young adults' book.
 
Can’t think of any. Changing the speed of light would change so many other things that it is linked to. Greg Egan is a very good SF writer who goes heavily into the science of his books (and I mean heavy), he wrote a trilogy set in a universe where light has mass and explored the consequences of that:

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/9756310-the-clockwork-rocket
 
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Redshift Rendezvous by John E. Stith.

There's a singularity at the centre of the spherical ship, so time, light and gravity run differently on each onion-layered deck. On one inner deck, space-time curves such you can see around the circumference. If you stand and wait a little while, you can see your own back...

The author's extensive notes do apologise for taking liberties with Relativity. These necessitate a 'life-belt' to maintain the wearer's physiology despite the deranged physics.

IMHO, Mild Suspension of Disbelief aside, it is a well-wrought tale, full of twists, turns, villains and derring-do.
 
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rootone said:
If light speed (not in a vacuum) was about human walking speed ...
Did any sci fi writer try that?
You might find this (sadly) abandoned game demo interesting . . .
 
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Thanks for the interesting replies.
 
Ryan_m_b said:
Can’t think of any. Changing the speed of light would change so many other things that it is linked to. Greg Egan is a very good SF writer who goes heavily into the science of his books (and I mean heavy), he wrote a trilogy set in a universe where light has mass and explored the consequences of that:

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/9756310-the-clockwork-rocket
If light was very slow I think it would effectively have mass and thus greatly enhanced momentum. Then rockets could work just by shining lasers or microwaves out the back for propulsion. At least for SF.
 
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rootone said:
If light speed (not in a vacuum) was about human walking speed ...
Did any sci fi writer try that?
In the first chapter of "Mr Tompkins in Wonderland" George Gamow treats c as a a bit above bicycle speed.
 
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Fewmet said:
In the first chapter of "Mr Tompkins in Wonderland" George Gamow treats c as a a bit above bicycle speed.
This is one of my favorite books from long ago. I highly recommend it if only for the entertainment of seeing how he presents a variety of concepts in an exagerated form.
 
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Nik_2213 said:
Redshift Rendezvous by John E. Stith.

There's a singularity at the centre of the spherical ship, so time, light and gravity run differently on each onion-layered deck.

Didnt Dr Who have something similar in a recent episode?

Aside: My father did some of the lighting for Dr Who back in the 1960s and 70s.
 
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CWatters said:
Didnt Dr Who have something similar in a recent episode?

Season 10, Episode 11.
 
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rootone said:
If light speed (not in a vacuum) was about human walking speed ...
Did any sci fi writer try that?

I don't quite understand what is so exotic about this. After all, Lene Hau slowed down light to 17 mph in 1999, and our world didn't turn "sci-fi" (she and her group went all the way and slowed it down to a complete halt a few years later).

Zz.
 
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ZapperZ said:
I don't quite understand what is so exotic about this. After all, Lene Hau slowed down light to 17 mph in 1999, and our world didn't turn "sci-fi" (she and her group went all the way and slowed it down to a complete halt a few years later).

Zz.
As I interpret the OP, the question is about slowing the characteristic speed of spacetime, not the actual speed of light pulses. I do not believe the former has yet been achieved ;)
 
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m4r35n357 said:
As I interpret the OP, the question is about slowing the characteristic speed of spacetime, not the actual speed of light pulses. I do not believe the former has yet been achieved ;)

The OP said (emphasis mine):

If light speed (not in a vacuum) was about human walking speed ...

Isn't this simply the speed of light in a medium? It has nothing to do with "characteristic speed of spacetime" if it is simply the speed of light being slowed down ".. not in a vacuum..".

Zz.
 
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ZapperZ said:
The OP said (emphasis mine):
Agreed, but as you say such a question is not really worth asking. Hence I attempted to read the OPs mind ;)
 
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