If the air temperature were the same as the human body's....

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the perception of airflow from a fan when the air temperature is equal to that of the human body. Participants explore the mechanisms of sensation related to airflow, cooling effects, and the impact of temperature on the perception of air movement.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that if the air temperature were the same as the skin, no heat transfer would occur, leading to a lack of sensory neuron activation, making the airflow undetectable.
  • Another participant counters that airflow can increase evaporation, which may cool the skin even if the air temperature is higher than body temperature.
  • A participant notes that fans lose their cooling effect in very hot conditions, suggesting that the evaporation effect may depend on sweating.
  • There is a proposal to test the perception of airflow using air from the lungs, which is at body temperature and has high humidity, to see if it feels different than air from a fan.
  • Concerns are raised about the validity of using lung air as a test due to its perceived temperature being slightly hot.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether equalizing air temperature would render a previously detectable fan undetectable. There is no consensus on the mechanisms of sensation related to airflow and temperature effects.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention the role of evaporation and sweating in the perception of airflow, indicating that the discussion may depend on individual physiological responses and environmental conditions.

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I just had the weirdest thought while rearranging my computer's case fans. I put my hand in front of one of them and felt a light breeze of air, telling me it was working. This is due to the local cooling produced where the fan's airstream comes in contact with the skin. Since the air being blown is at a lower temperature than the human body, that local skin cooling triggers my sensory neurons, my skin feels slightly cold and thus I know there's air flowing against it. But what if the air were the exact same temperature as my skin? No heat transfer would occur and my neurons would not be activated. Thus, I can only think of two other mechanisms by which I could perceive the fan if I were not looking at it nor hearing it: perhaps the moving air slightly disturbs the hairs on my skin, which trigger sensory neurons of their own, OR the airstream would be strong enough to actually push my skin. The latter case is obviously not true with 120 mm case fans.
Assuming my hair sensitivity theory is correct, if the fan were functioning in a low enough setting so that the airstream's speed did not disturb the hairs, it stands to reason that the fan would be completely undetectable if the air temperature were the same as my body's. I would not be able to feel it blowing air at all.

It's quite a perturbing thought, no?
 
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Nantes said:
Since the air being blown is at a lower temperature than the human body
Not necessarily. Air flow increases evaporation, which can cool even if the temperature is higher than your body temperature.
Nantes said:
perhaps the moving air slightly disturbs the hairs on my skin, which trigger sensory neurons of their own
That happens.
Nantes said:
Assuming my hair sensitivity theory is correct, if the fan were functioning in a low enough setting so that the airstream's speed did not disturb the hairs, it stands to reason that the fan would be completely undetectable if the air temperature were the same as my body's. I would not be able to feel it blowing air at all.
If the airflow is too weak, you don't feel it. That is not very surprising I think.
 
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mfb said:
If the airflow is too weak, you don't feel it. That is not very surprising I think.

Yes, I'm more interested in whether equalizing air temperature would make undetectable a previously-detectable fan.
Your evaporation comment makes sense. I've noticed though that ceiling or table fans very rapidly lose their subjective cooling effect when the air temperature is very hot. I live in Brazil, and during heat waves I feel like using a fan is actually like blowing hot air at you, making the heat feel worse. Perhaps the evaporation effect only works to an appreciable degree if one is actually sweating.
 
Nantes said:
Yes, I'm more interested in whether equalizing air temperature would make undetectable a previously-detectable fan.
I doubt that. Maybe some fan with extremely hot or cold air and very weak air flow.
Nantes said:
I would assume the evaporation effect would only work if I were actually physically sweating, as opposed to just having microscopic water droplets on my skin which (I think) is usually the case.
This is easy to test - air from your lungs has body temperature to a good approximation. It also has a high humidity, so air from a fan at the same temperature feels colder.
 
mfb said:
This is easy to test - air from your lungs has body temperature to a good approximation. It also has a high humidity, so air from a fan at the same temperature feels colder.

Since it feels slightly hot, I can presume the temperature of the skin is lower than average body temperature. Not a very valid test.
 

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