If the charge oscillates at relativistic velocities

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The discussion revolves around the behavior of electric and magnetic fields generated by a charge oscillating at relativistic velocities, particularly in the context of electromagnetic waves. Participants explore the implications of relativistic effects on the forces acting on the charge and the relationship between electric and magnetic fields in this scenario.

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  • One participant notes that at nonrelativistic velocities, magnetic forces can be neglected since the magnitudes of electric and magnetic fields are equal in an electromagnetic wave.
  • Another participant explains that for relativistic velocities, the Lorentz force must be considered, where both electric and magnetic forces become significant as the velocity approaches the speed of light.
  • A participant seeks clarification on the specific equation that leads to the conclusion that the magnitudes of electric and magnetic fields are equal.
  • In response, a detailed derivation using Maxwell's equations is provided, showing how the relationship between electric and magnetic fields arises in the context of plane waves.
  • Participants express appreciation for the detailed explanations and the clarity they provide regarding the topic.

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Participants generally agree on the framework of the discussion, particularly regarding the use of Maxwell's equations and the behavior of fields in electromagnetic waves. However, there is no explicit consensus on the implications of relativistic velocities on the forces acting on the charge.

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The discussion relies on assumptions related to the conditions under which the electric and magnetic fields are considered equal, as well as the applicability of Maxwell's equations in the given context. There are also unresolved aspects regarding the transition from nonrelativistic to relativistic regimes.

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Hello PF.
I'm just curious.
I found the following description in a textbook I am reading.
If the charge oscillates at nonrelativistic velocities, ##u<<c##, then we may neglect magnetic forces, since ##E = B## for an electromagnetic wave.

What I'm interested in here is what would $E$ and $B$ look like if the charge was oscillating at close to the speed of light ( means relativistic velocities) ?

Thank you.
 
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I guess you are considering a charge in an external plane em. wave. The latter indeed has ##|\vec{E}|=|\vec{B}|## (when using good old Gaussian or Heaviside-Lorentz units ;-)). Now the force on the charge is given by the Lorentz formula, i.e.,
$$\vec{F}=q \left (\vec{E} + \frac{\vec{v}}{c} \times \vec{B} \right).$$
thus the force due to the magnetic field is by ##|\vec{v}/c| \ll 1## smaller for non-relativistic velocities.

For relativistic velocities you must use the relativistic equation of motion and then the electric and magnetic forces get of the same order of magnitude, because then ##|\vec{v}/c| \lesssim 1## (it's always smaller than 1 but can get close to one if ##|\vec{v}|## comes close to ##c##).
 
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Sorry for the late reply.
vanhees71 said:
I guess you are considering a charge in an external plane em. wave.
I am thinking about that very situation.

I see. Thank you for the detailed explanation.
vanhees71 said:
The latter indeed has |E→|=|B→| (when using good old Gaussian or Heaviside-Lorentz units ;-)).
However, this part bothered me a little.
From which equation exactly do you get that the electric field is equal to the magnetic field?
 
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Just use the Maxwell equations for ##\rho=0## and ##\vec{j}=0##. Then you get (in Heaviside-Lorentz units with ##c=1##)
$$\vec{\nabla} \times \vec{E}=-\partial_t \vec{B}, \quad \vec{\nabla} \cdot \vec{B}=\vec{\nabla} \cdot \vec{E}=0, \quad \vec{\nabla} \times \vec{B}=\partial_t \vec{E}.$$
Taking the curl of the first equation and then the other Maxwell equations leads to
$$(\partial_t^2-\Delta) \vec{E}=0.$$
Now make the plane-wave ansatz
$$\vec{E}(t,\vec{x})=\vec{E}_0 \exp[-\ii \omega t+\mathrm{i} \vec{k} \cdot \vec{x}].$$
Plugging this in the wave equation yields
$$\omega=|\vec{k}|$$
From ##\vec{\nabla} \cdot \vec{E}=0## you get ##\vec{k} \cdot \vec{E}_0=0##.
Further it's clear that also
$$\vec{B}(t,\vec{x})=\vec{B}_0 \exp[-\ii \omega t+\mathrm{i} \vec{k} \cdot \vec{x}].$$
With Faraday's Law you get
$$\partial_t \vec{B}=-\ii \omega \vec{B}=-\vec{\nabla} \times \vec{E}=-\ii \vec{k} \times \vec{E},$$
i.e.,
$$\vec{B}=\frac{\vec{k}}{\omega} \times \vec{E}.$$
Since ##\vec{k} \perp \vec{E}## you get
$$|\vec{B}|=\left |\frac{\vec{k}}{\omega} \right| |\vec{E}|=|\vec{E}|,$$
because of ##|\vec{k}|=\omega##.
 
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@vanhees71 Thank you for your very detailed answer.
It made a lot of sense to me. It's very helpful.
 

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